Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them

On 5/21/2014 9:39 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote:

> I wonder:
>
> 1. Is the number of pictures the problem? Or was there some way in which the
> program was trying to do the impossible -- for instance, keeping a picture in
> a position that was too small for it?

I know the picture would fit in the space I wanted it. However, my page 
position may have clashed with the anchor position (I was anchoring to a 
paragraph). But, when I wanted to move it to another page (by mouse 
dragging), it just wouldn't go. It kept bouncing back to the original 
position. And, if I dragged it across a footer, it suddenly got stuck 
there creating all kinds of problems.

I don't think it was about the number of pictures.
> 2. Could the anchor position have an effect?

I think, conceptually, that is a problem. You can anchor to page, 
paragraph, character, and "as character," whatever that means. Then, if 
your anchor is too close to the top or bottom of the page, then the 
graphic doesn't know where to go. The mere act of inserting the graphic 
*will* cause the anchoring site to move. And, if you preserve the 
position, it seems to preserve the position on the *page* without regard 
to where the anchor is. I had some pictures where the anchor was on the 
previous page as the picture. Then I found I could use the mouse to move 
*either* the graphics frame *or* the anchor site. I'm thinking there are 
just too many variables, at least for my limited brain.

> 3. What if the picture was placed inside a frame, and the frame size and
> position protected?

Actually, that's what I was doing, albeit in a roundabout way. I have my 
pictures set to "Auto Caption." I've discovered that, when that happens, 
the picture frame is placed inside a separate frame that is slightly 
larger than the picture itself. Then the caption is placed  in this 
larger frame. So, a captioned picture consists of *two* frames, one on 
top of the other. In fact, when I was preserving size and position, I 
had to do it to *both* the picture frame *and* the caption frame.
> I'm going to see what results I get in answering these questions. I'll post my
> results, probably by tomorrow evening.

I thought I would reload the document and try again. When I loaded the 
document, *all* of my pictures were out of position and distorted from 
top to bottom. When I tried to scroll the document, it crashed. It's now 
toast.

One other thought I had. I was using Linux Libertine G as my font. It 
has so many advanced typographic features that, in the past, I've had 
some stability issues with it, even in text files without graphics. But, 
those were addressed many versions ago, so I don't think it's the 
problem, but I just throw it out there as a possible contributing factor.

Good luck on sorting this out. Based on my experience, next time I need 
to insert graphics, I'll just use another program from the get-go and 
save myself hours of headaches. For me at least, it just ain't working 
with LO. Again, I won't discount the possibility of user error, but if 
that's the case, then I would suggest that perhaps this part of the 
program is so complex that user error is much too easy to achieve.

Virgil

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