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Hi :)
There will be a lot of pranks and malware aimed at Xp users offering them
free upgrades and what-not.  Apparently it has already started.  Just
ignore them all.

Wrt "MS Security Essentials" best bet is to install AVG (apparently best of
the free anti-viruses (but according to who, right?)) or one of the many
other choices and after updating it and scanning your machine then
uninstall MS Essentials.  I just did this on the office machines last

As far as your Xp machine goes i would install a dual-boot there now too
and just try to avoid using Xp as much as posible on it.

Ubuntu 12.04 LTS has 3 years worth of support remaining and was released 2
years ago in 2012.  The 14.04 LTS was released a couple of days ago so it
has only just started it's 5 years worth of support.  The 16.04 is due out
in 2016.

So, on your 12.04 you should get a notification letting you know you can
upgrade.  When/if you decline then you wont see it again for maybe a month,
when they release their first "Service Pack".

Generally i would go with Garvin's usual advice and hold off on upgrading
for a while.  I have just tried it on a couple of machines and it seems
kinda fine but i'm going to let them settle for a while before rolling it
out to all the rest.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 23 April 2014 13:42, Jay Lozier <> wrote:

On 04/23/2014 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

It's no secret that LO users tend to dislike M$. While I love LO, I've
tended to give M$ perhaps more benefit of the doubt than they deserve. I
still use Windows 7 on my laptop, although after many fits and starts, I
have finally succeeded in getting a true dual boot Ubuntu setup. I'm using
Ubuntu as much as I can to see just how much (or little) I still need

But, last evening, M$ threw me a curveball that I found utterly
unacceptable. In addition to my laptop, I have a slightly older desktop
that runs Windows XP. In the last few says, the XP machine has been acting
*very* strangely. I've run RKill and virus scans, which have come up empty.
Then, I noticed a GREAT BIG RED "X" on my Security Essentials icon. I
clicked on it to read M$'s message: The OS is no longer supported (which I
knew) and, therefore, Microsoft Security Essentials will no longer work
properly (which I did not know). Ergo, my computer is now considered "at
risk." M$ was kind enough to provide a link to "End of Support Guidance."

To play along, I clicked the link and was taken to a M$ website. The
website suggested that I upgrade to Windows 8.1 at a cost of between $120
and $200 (personal vs. pro). But, it warned me that if my PC were too old,
then 8.1 wouldn't work. So, my other option? M$ suggests I buy a new PC.
The gall; buy a new PC because M$ chooses to no longer support the OS? No
thanks. They were also kind enough to provide a link where I could check to
see if my PC would run 8.1. Since I have no intention of purchasing 8.1, I
declined their offer to have my PC checked.

Of course, I have another option. Now that I'm growing more and more
comfortable with Ubuntu, I'll just install it on my desktop. While I still
have Windows 7 on my dual boot, I may go whole hog with the desktop and
completely blow off Windows... since M$ doesn't consider it worth their
time to support it anyway.

Now, I realize that the day will come when my Ubuntu 12.04LTS will no
longer be supported. But, there are a couple differences. First, Ubuntu
clearly states on its website when 12.04 support will expire, so I know
going in what I'm getting into. M$ gave me no such warning when I purchased
my XP machine years ago. Second, when 12.04LTS support goes by the wayside,
Ubuntu will have another *free* alternative available; and even if they
don't, there's always Debian, Mint, Mint Debian, OpenSuse, Puppy,
Slackware, Fedora, Puppy, Slax, and on and on.

Sorry M$ (and Urmas). While I have tried to avoid the M$ rage I've read
on this and other lists, your latest consumer disrespect has thrown me over
to the dark side.

Give me penguins.



On 04/22/2014 02:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Not quite.  It may have changed the name of the formats it uses twice but
OOXML (the .docX etc) has at least 4 different versions including 3
different "transitional" versions and all are apparently quite different
from the version they managed to get accredited as an ISO format.

The older format (.doc etc) also seem to vary considerably between each
different version of MS Office.

MS Office 2010 or 2013 often has problems opening documents created in MS
Office 2007.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 22 April 2014 19:06, Urmas <> wrote:

 "anne-ology"       MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible
with others in

order to reap a higher profit-margin  ;-(

For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.

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