It may be related to this issue: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74042 which claims to have been fixed in 4.2.1 but is still present in Version: 22.214.171.124 Build ID: d7dbbd7842e6a58b0f521599204e827654e1fb8b Dave -------- Original Message -------- From: Tom Cloyd <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:26:02 -0700
UPDATE re: the below problem: This is very odd. Here's an example of what I'm seeing: I have a hyperlink from a cell in sheet C to a cell in sheet A. I click/double-click the link. Nothing happens. I inspect the link, and where the link target URL should be I see "!!br0ken!!" But the tool-tip over the link advises me to try "Ctrl-click...." and that actually works. Is this the default? Could be, for all I know. And why does the link indicate it's broken, yet it still works? I can make NO sense of this, I'll admit. t. ========= Tom, Well, I'm back on ver. 4.2. I have a lot of files in Calc with links - to various sheets, and to other files. THEY ARE ALL BROKEN NOW. This is a disaster, and reverting LO isn't, I think going to fix it. Sigh. Re: faster load/save of files - xml is a text format, and will necessarily be slower than a binary equivalent - that's my understanding, anyway. I noticed quite some time ago, when converting from Excel to Calc that the save took about 3 times as along. t. On 02/18/2014 10:12 AM, Tom Davies wrote:Hi :) Thanks! :) Xml is the way all the office formats are going. It does have 3 main advantages afaik; 1. When things go wrong it's easier to poke around inside and maybe even fix corrupted files 2. It's easy to compress further into Zip or other compression formats 3. errr, oh i thought it was faster and easier to load/save but i've never seen anyone produce stats about it. Now you mention it i've no idea whether it feels faster or slower to open files. As for your User Profile, it might be a really good idea to occasionally create a back-up copy in the same way and then keep the one with the settings you like best to put on any machine just before installing LibreOffice or OpenOffice so that you get all your fav. settings but with all the relevant updated bits added by the installer. Regards from Tom :) On 18 February 2014 16:41, Tom Cloyd <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:Tom, I have to say that nothing makes me smile quite like a quick, detailed response to a problem reported to a user discussion list! For years, the absolute best list in this regard I've experienced has been that for the Lilypond music engraving software, but LO's list is surely a close second. As for gnumeric - that's totally new to me. I like calc, but do NOT like the fact that it save files in xml and thus they are large and slow to save and retrieve. There's just no need for that. Xml should be an option, with binary the default, in my opinion. Will definitely give gnumeric a try. Thanks for the profile-renaming tip. I followed your advice, and thus saved my dictionaries - probably the single most valuable thing in my user profile. Thanks again for all the help! Tom On 02/18/2014 09:32 AM, Tom Davies wrote:Hi :) No worries! It's what we are here for! :) The thing in my answer was to try Gnumeric http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric instead of Calc/Excel for that 1 spreadsheet (or for all of them to make it easier). Renaming (or deleting) the User Profile seems to fix something like 90% of weird problems that suddenly start but didn't occur before. It's a "magic cure all" worth knowing. I prefer renaming so i can go back (some day (if i ever get around to it)) to get details of why it happened. I keep meaning to back-up my User Profile when i get it just right but keep forgetting. Regards from Tom :) On 18 February 2014 15:56, Tom Cloyd <email@example.com> wrote:Hey, thanks, guys. That's a ton of help. I've a bit more time today, and will pursue the problem. There's also some great stuff in your email, Tom, for my carefully kept notes on LO, and especially on Calc., which I use a great deal every day. You took real time to give me that much info. I seriously appreciate this effort! Thank you both for the quick and thoughtful response. Tom On 02/18/2014 01:51 AM, Tom Davies wrote:Hi :) If something worked and suddenly stopped working as if by magic then the first thing to try is to rename your User Profile https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile Renaming is better than deleting because you might have tons of stuff in your profile (templates, galleries, Extensions, file-backups etc) that you don't want to lose. If renaming or deleting the User Profile DOES work then you might be able to copy chunks of your old one back and that can be a good way of trouble-shooting down to pin-point the problem. If you have deleted the User Profile then that is, of course, impossible. If you just renamed the User Profile then you can leave the trouble-shooting to a day when you do find time (or never but at least it's possible). If renaming DOES NOT help then you could rename the old one back without suffering any losses. On the other hand it is quite possible that you don't have anything exciting in your User Profile or that it might be a good time to start afresh with reconfiguring LO's settings and with installing fresh Extensions that you need now rather than trying to keep using ancient ones or ancient versions of ones you don't really use any more. If the problems happened straight after upgrading to a newer version then reverting to an older version makes a LOT of sense. Preferably an x.x.4 or higher. It's that 3rd digit that shows greater stability. The 4.1.4 should be about as solid as they get but some people are on 4.0.6 to get the extra stability of that although they miss out a lot on features and compatibility with MS formats. Although i have some machines still on 3.5.(something) without really missing anything but then my needs are modest for those machines. Anyway, 4.1.4 is a good release and it's worth carrying on following the 4.1.x branch as it gets developed further and stability increases further. However 30+ worksheets in a single file and 1Mb means it's quite a huge file! If you can't break it up easily (or even if you can but don't want to) then it is well worth considering using a specialist spreadsheeting program instead of Calc/Excel. Both the later are designed to integrate well with other modules/programs within an office suite but means you are carrying extra baggage and your computer is using resources to make it easy to switch into Presentations, Drawing programs, and all sorts of stuff that you probably don't need while using the spreadsheet. A specialist tool focussing resources on, and designed purely for handling, spreadsheets might be better. Gnumeric uses the same formats as Calc natively and can also handle the relevant MS formats and is often found to out-perform Excel and even Calc especially on low spec. machines. http://projects.gnome.org/gnumericFrom their News section the quick link to directly download theirlatest Windows version is http://people.gnome.org/~mortenw/gnumeric/gnumeric-1.12.9-20131128.exe NOTE this directly downloads an Exe file!!! I NEVER usually give links like that because you don't know me and have no reason to trust me so you really should try the first link and have a look around for yourself before attempting any downloading! The only reason i give it this time is because i found it difficult to find on their site so i just wanted to make it easier for you. Regards from Tom :) On 17 February 2014 23:24, Tim Lloyd <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:Tom, my thoughts FWIW. I would suggest restoring the latest version, deleting your user profile and trying again. This has been known to work in the past. What operating system are you using? is this an old file which has seen a number of different LO versions? Cheers On 18/02/14 03:33, Tom Cloyd wrote:I'm reverting to ver. 126.96.36.199, after spending almost 40 min. this morning trying to isolate a problem. I could reliable crash the problem by trying to copy two cells in Calc to another location in the same sheet. I got this error message: /vector::_M_range_check /I'm working and have no time to go beyond posting the problem here. That's just the reality of my life this Monday morning. I'd attempt a bug report, but every time I've tried that I've gotten lost in the sheer strangeness of the process. No time for that either. I can offer to share the spreadsheet in which the crash occurs, for what that's worth. It has maybe 30 sheets and is about a meg. in size. I did find that removing about 15 of the sheets appeared to stop the problem, for unknown reasons. t.
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