Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office woes

Hi :)
Look i'm sure we are all quite sophisticated MS Office users, as Carl
probably is too.  I, for one, have often taught people how to use MSO
and marked exams for ECDL and other training courses.  I know for
certain at least 1 other here has too and i'm reasonably certain that
almost everyone else either already had a high level of skill with MSO
or has learned shed-loads since using OOo, LO,or AOO (or both).

So i'm sure we can all find work-arounds for the frustrations he
shared with the rest of us.  I thought Marianne-x's was the best for
item 1 but Anne-ology's a close 2nd.  Mine would have been painful =
to cut&paste the formula into a text file.  I think it is good for us
to know more than the average MSO user and to stay ahead by sharing
some of these ideas but often we learn just because we have
experienced radically different approaches to things whereas MSO users
have stayed blinkered.

What we normally hear on this mailing-list is noobs frustrations with
LO.  It's kinda what we are here for.  It's our job (most of us
volunteers but unpaid work is still work) to point them towards decent
document and even directly help them both with their specific problem
and maybe help them realign their thinking so that they can "go with
the flow" more easily rather than fighting against the tide by trying
to apply bad-habits picked up through years of MS (ab)use and then
grumbling that they can't do idiotic things.

So, it makes a nice change to hear some of the grumbles about MSO,
especially because they were different from the usual grumbles (as
neatly stated by null).  I agree with Carl that it's probably not a
good idea to have another rant-fest this week but they can be fun.
The thing is that we have to work alongside MSO users especially those
of us at some stage of a migration and we don't want to make the list
appear too hateful and unwelcoming.  So, if anyone feels the need to
rant please can they make it humorous?

Regards from
Tom :)




On 8 February 2014 04:56, Carl Paulsen <carlpaulsen@comcast.net> wrote:
> I suppose you're right.  With some work I could have found a workaround, and
> I appreciate your idea.  My issue is much more about the way MSO is set up
> by default, and changes to that are not especially apparent.
>
> But your point is well taken.
> Carl
>
>
>
> On 2/7/14 11:26 PM, marianne-x wrote:
> > On 2/7/2014 9:10 PM, Carl Paulsen wrote:
> > > The biggest problem is that if the formula doesn't meet MSO's standards,
> > > you can't leave it in place to work on later.  I've had formulas which took
> > > me days to work out, and if I can't leave them in place even when faulty,
> > > then I have to re-create them each time.  When they are so terribly long,
> > > with many layers of nested functions, losing them is a disaster. Yet Excel
> > > prevents you from saving them unless they "work."  BAH!
> >
> > I have no experience with M$O specifically, and have no interest in making
> > excuses for its failings, but with those s.sheets that I do use, "all" you
> > have to do in this situation is put a quote at the start of the formula,
> > thereby making it text. The formula should then be preserved as text, and
> > can be saved as such, until you want to work on it again; removing the quote
> > makes it back into formula. Isn't that a reasonable work-around for their
> > unreasonable default action?
>
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> Carl Paulsen
>
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