Re: [libreoffice-users] Cooperation in the implementation of LibreOffice

Hi :)
I don't think it's good policy to be rude to trolls.  One of the
things they are aiming for is to make the list seem unfriendly and
then be able to quote those examples out-of-context.

I agree with most of the points but just feel they could have been
explained less antagonistically.  On the other hand it was good fun to
read and made me chortle a bit! :)


Wrt formats i wasn't sure whether;
1.  we were getting the blame for not being able to correctly read
proprietary implementations of formats where the specs are unavailable
or
2.  we were getting the blame for MS failing to implement ISO
standards correctly where the specs are easily available

In either case it seems the fault of MS, rather than us, so maybe do
try posting a bug-report where-ever you are getting 15min responses
from!  If MS could implement their own spec correctly (or the one we
use, or both) then it really might make interoperability a reality.
Then almost no-one would ever need to buy any new versions of MS
Office because even really old versions did everything almost all of
us need and tons more too.

Regards from
Tom :)






On 25 December 2013 19:45, Robert Holtzman <holtzm@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 03:32:47PM +0400, None None wrote:
>
> Normally I don't reply to such blatant FUD but I have a lot of free time
> today and I'm bored.
>
> > Hello, my name is Alexander , at the moment I am a programmer in OGAOU SPO " Belgorod College of 
> > industry and services " , country: Russia , city of Belgorod.
> >
> > I want to introduce into commercial operation institution package LibreOffice as an alternative 
> > package of MS Office, in order to move to the format ODF, which in our country is a national 
> > fixed state standard ( ISO / IEC 26300-2010 . Came into force on June 1, 2011 ) . However , 
> > implementation of this project gives me concerns about the advisability of this step for the 
> > following reasons :
>
> What does your country's implementation of ODF have to do with open
> source software?
>
> > I know in many business organizations and educational institutions was an attempt to introduce 
> > LibreOffice and OpenOffice, but they all failed. Even where people were friendly to the use of 
> > these products later returned to the MS Office package due to the low quality software 
> > LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( because of the continuing occurrence of bugs and endless 
> > expectations of new releases in which errors have not been corrected ), the appearance artifacts 
> > for viewing and printing of documents created in MS Office and other non- ODF (Open Document 
> > Format). In general, the situation is that there is a standard but actually exists only on paper 
> > , in addition to MS Office 2013 support is implemented ODF, which makes it even more attractive 
> > to use.
>
> The above is a symptom of lazy or incompetent IT departments that don't
> or can't learn to use the software.
>
> > In my opinion , free software does not justify its poor quality. Many IT professionals and PC 
> > users have an opinion about LibreOffice and OpenOffice as a " shitty " software, which can not 
> > be used in the workplace.
>
> You're right, that's *your* opinion.
>
> How do you account for the fact that open source software is in worldwide use every day in
> production environments. Just few of the many cites:
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/open-source-what-you-should-learn-french-461
> http://opensource.com/government/12/11/france-latest-fully-embrace-open-source
> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-272299.html
>
> > In contrast to system administrators trying to implement packages LibreOffice or OpenOffice, I 
> > am a professional programmer and familiar with the process of software development. In my 
> > opinion the industrial application package LibreOffice is possible, but subject to personal 
> > contact with the immediate developers package their interest in creating a quality product and 
> > responsiveness to the comments , suggestions for improvement and immediate response on the error 
> > of the package , as well as providing operational fixes without having to wait for the official 
> > release. I believe that developers care about their product and frankly, I know that in the case 
> > to contact technical support patches can wait for years
>
> That's a feature of some closed source software, notably Microsoft. You
> can email them with your concerns until you're blue in the face and they
> will produce an update months later if then. Open source developers will
> cure problems usually in a few days.
>
> > and a direct appeal to the developer can take it to cure is not more than 15 minutes .
>
> You must think that developers have nothing to do but wait for you to
> contact them. They're not on your payroll. 15 minutes is laughable
> except for isolated instances, not in general. Also, as a programmer, as
> you claim to be, you should know a 15 minute fix to a problem can
> introduce more bugs than it cures.
>
> > My idea is to introduce a distinctive package LibreOffice is in close interaction directly with 
> > the developers and their interest in this cooperation .
>
> What in the hell does the above sentence mean?
>
> > As a result of successful implementation , the package will have the right to life
>
> What does "the right to life" mean?
>
> > and begin to be implemented in other educational institutions of Russia ( as exists between 
> > educational institutions experience exchange program , usually a methodological associations ) , 
> > as well information about the successful implementation of the same will go to the Ministry of 
> > Education of the Russian Federation and respectively wave on other ministries. This collaboration 
> > will raise the quality of software , as it will be used in the work (in the " battle" conditions 
> > and not on the bench) .
>
> > Waiting for your reply on this proposal and look forward to working ...
>
> Don't hold your breath waiting.
>
> What tells me you're a troll is the fact that you don't know what you're
> talking about. If you actually are a programmer you would know better.
> Also you're using a broken mailer that puts long passages on one line
> and makes inline replies very difficult.
>
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