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Hi :)
Errr, just to highlight the point that while i think Doc (NOT DocX) is
the best format for file-sharing right now it is not a good
future-proof format for long-term storage.  ODF is better for storage
because it's implementation is closer to the specifications drawn up
as it's ISO standard.

In 20-30 years or even longer it is likely to be much easier to throw
together something to read all documents saved in ODF format.  Doc and
DocX implementations are too far from their written specs and too
variable across different versions of MS Office.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 30 November 2013 20:44, Tom Davies <> wrote:
Hi :)
Pedro is right and i like his solution.  People were/are happy to
download and install Adobe Acrobat to read PDFs.

The minor amendment i would make is that Doc is MUCH better for
interoperability than DocX.  Doc is almost always smooth but i'm sure
it has it's occasional problems.  DocX often seems to have problems
just as Rtf never achieved MS's promise of being an interoperable
format either.  Doc used to have much more trouble but MS seem to be
doing a lot less to develop it now that it's not the default format in
MS Office now so it's settled into being a smooth and fairly reliable
stepping stone between many different programs.

However ODF is a lot more secure and each of the different versions
has been fully documented.  All the various programs that use ODF
implement it as per the written spec except where bug-reports have
been posted against the app to "flag-up" divergence.  LO and OO add  a
little more functionality to the 1.2 standard and have written that up
as "1.2 (Extended)" and have presumably pushed that to the OASIS
consortium to be included in the next update to the format even though
that is likely to be many years away.

OASIS developed the format, not Sun, not TDF, not Oracle and not
Apache.  The consortium has more than 5,000 participants representing
over 600 organizations and individual members in more than 65
countries.  TDF is in that 5,000 but so is IBM and even Microsoft.

Many other programs use ODF;
Adobe Buzzword
Apache OpenOffice
Atlantis Word Processor
Calligra Suite
Corel WordPerfect Office X6
Google Drive (was Google Docs)
IBM Lotus Symphony
Inkscape exports .odg
Microsoft Office 2007 (from service pack 2 release) - errr but badly
and breaks spreadsheets
Microsoft Office 2010  - errr also badly and still breaks spreadsheets
Microsoft Office 2013
Microsoft SkyDrive / Office Web Apps
Scribus imports .odt and .odg
SoftMaker Office
Sun Microsystems StarOffice
WordPad 6.1 (Windows 7) partial support.
Zoho Office Suite

Regards from
Tom :)

On 30 November 2013 18:44, Phil Troy <> wrote:

I noticed earlier that there was a brief mention of incompatability between
libreoffice files and microsoft office files.  This is a major problem that
has been going on for years and it is a major stumbling block to achieving
the libreoffice goal "to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving
everyone access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them
to participate as full citizens in the 21st century"

This issue has existed for years.  Importing files from microsoft office to
libreoffice corrupts the files and documents.  This should have been fixed
by somehow cleaning the imported document, even if it meant some loss of
formatting, during the import process.  If the above goal is to be taken
seriously, this needs to be one of the highest priorities.  Period.

Phil Troy

Philip M. Troy, Ph.D.

Process & Quantitative Decision Support/Systems Analyst
Les Entreprises TROYWARE

Adjunct Professor of Surgery
McGill University

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