Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.1.3.2

On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster <webmaster@krackedpress.com> wrote:

> On 11/05/2013 08:21 PM, cfly@intergate.com wrote:
> > Quoting NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>:
> >
> > > On 11/05/2013 06:53 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> > > > ** Reply to message from NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> on Mon, 04 Nov 2013
> > > > 23:00:26 -0800
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> > > > > > ** Reply to message from "Cliff Scott" <cfly@intergate.com> on
> > > > > Sat, 2 Nov
> > > > > > 2013 15:29:02 -0500
> > > ...
> > >
> > > '. I'm showing the following:
> > > > > Calibri - Regular|Bold|Italic|Bold italic
> > > > > Calibri Light - Light|Light Italic|Bold|Bold Italic
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll now purge the font(s) due to licencing issues. :-)
> > > > > I find that FreeSans 11 is a very close match to Calibri 12. You might
> > > > > want to give that a try. <http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/>
> > > >
> > > > NoOp - thanks for your ideas. They gave me a clue how to work around
> > > > the
> > > > issue. It's not the ideal way and the results are not exactly what I
> > > > wanted,
> > > > but may be useable.
> > > >
> > > > Going into Format/Character I find that the Light option is listed
> > > > under
> > > > Calibri, but unfortunately Light Bold isn't listed so when I bold
> > > > the Light
> > > > font it ends up as the Regular Calibri Bold and not Light Bold that
> > > > it should
> > > > be. Apparently LO 4.1.3.2 tries to combine the two fonts into one
> > > > family
> > > > rather than keep them separate. The Mac Font Book also lists them as
> > > > one
> > > > family where in fact they are two families with a common base name.
> > > > Somehow
> > > > LO 4.0.5 keeps them separate, but 4.1.3.2 doesn't. As I said earlier
> > > > Open
> > > > Office also sees them as separate families. At least now I have a
> > > > better
> > > > handle on what's happening. Thanks.
> > >
> > > I had to install AOOo in a parallel folder so that it doesn't end up
> > > polluting my file associations (long story) & found:
> > >
> > > Both AOOo AOO401m5(Build:9714)  -  Rev. 1524958 2013-09-20 11:54 - Linux
> > > x86_64) and LO 4.1.3.2 act identical, at least on the linux versions.
> > > Both use a substitute font for Calibri Light Bold/Bold Italic. That is
> > > because only Calibri Light and Calibri Light Italic are in the fonts
> > > that I copied over from Win7. Calibri Bold and Bold Italic
> > > (calibriz.ttf) are available, so those fonts aren't substituted.
> > >
> > > You can verify by Format|Character and then selecting Calibre
> > > Light|Bold/Bold Light and notice the notification: "This font style will
> > > be simulated or the closest matching style will be used.". If you select
> > > only Claibri Light|Light/Light Italic the message will change to: "The
> > > same font will be used on both your printer and your screen".
> >
> > Correct. I have done all that. The issue with LO 4.1.3.2 is that it
> > cannot differentiate between the font sub-families, I guess you would
> > call them, so it thinks Calibri and Calibri Light are the same family.
> > They are in a sense, but not in another sense and LO 4.0.5 can tell
> > the difference and 4.1.3.2 cannot. AOO can tell the difference also
> > even better than LO 4.0.5 in that it separates out Calibri, Calibri
> > Light and Calibri Light Italic as separate fonts in the drop down list
> > so I can choose which ever one I want. In 4.1.3.2 I can make the
> > Calibri Light work using the Format/Character menus, but cannot any
> > way get Calibri Light Bold to work as it isn't listed anywhere.
> > Somehow LO has changed how the fonts are differentiated and it really
> > messes up this font access.
> >
> > Cliff
>
> Of course, some font families have
> "normal" - regular, bold, italic, bold italic
> "light" - regular and italic
> dark or heavy - regular and italic
> wide - regular, bold, italic, bold italic
> narrow - regular, bold, italic, bold italic
>
> then there are "demi" and other font "style" names for the different
> font weights out there.  I have seen one font family with 4 or 5
> different font weights, plus the wide, narrow, condensed, and other font
> width options.  The designers can go crazy with the combinations of font
> weight and width, and packages like LO need to be able to handle them all.
>
> As for "light bold", what is the difference in font weight between
> "normal" and the "standard" bold weights?  Somewhere between them?
> Light, normal, light-bold, bold?

Great idea! Actually in this case Calibri Light Bold that I can see in 4.0.5 is almost identical to 
Calibri Regular as seen in 4.1.3.2. That will be very workable, though it would be nice to have the 
basic problem of the Light not showing up in the dropdown list corrected. The Regular Bold which is 
substituted for Light Bold is way too bold.

Problem not fixed, but a very acceptable work around for now. Thanks everyone for your input.

Cliff
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