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       and the single quote ( ' ) is foot  ;-)
           quite strange, indeed  ;-)

From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <>
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?

And here I thought that the word inch was another name for this symbol "

You know, because people write 1" rather than 1 inch

On 08/27/2013 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

 A unit of measurement in what is commonly known as the “English” system.


  From: Tom Davies
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:44 PM
To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?

Hi :)
What's an inch?

Regards from
Tom :)

From: Info/UX <>
To: Virgil Arrington <>
Cc: Tom Davies <>;
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?

Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-)


On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote:

When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is
8.5 by 11 inches?

From: Tom Davies
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM
To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?
 Hi :)
Good point about using US-letter!  That might make the

             biggest difference!

Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US

             and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still
             fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That
             might make more difference than which method you use.

Regards from
Tom :)

From: Info/UX <>
To: Virgil Arrington <>
Cc: Tom Davies <>;
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?

Thanks, Virgil.

My documents are similar to yours. One last question

                   then I'll give you

guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with

                   page size "letter"

and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't

                   need anything more

intricate than that.

Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have

                   Linux at home so will

probably stick with LO.

Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot.


On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:

My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms

                   of formatting.

Typically, they are either legal or academic

                   style papers. I'm a heavy

user of paragraph styles and won't work without


I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and

                   then at the end convert

to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph

                   styles, but I would avoid

LO specific methods.

Another option is a shareware word processor

                   called Atlantis. It's a

lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no

                   ribbon) with a $35.00

registration. I often use it when Word

                   compatibility is paramount. It

does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I

                   honestly don't know why

MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It

                   doesn't support tables, but

other than that, it will handle simple formats

                   very well and will

produce a result that Word should read fairly



  From: Info/UX
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM
To: Tom Davies
Cc: Virgil Arrington ;
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice

                   paragraph styles exported

to other software/formats?

Thanks, Tom, Virgil.

If I wanted to use different text body styles

                   throughout I would

probably have made new styles and called them

                   text body 1, 2, etc.

Luckily nothing like that is needed in this

                   case. But I have created my

simple template with basic paragraph and page


So, in trying to process the information in

                   both of your replies, I feel

I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS

                   formats (.docx, but .doc if

possible) and format with minimal use of LO's

                   special features (even so,

I'd rather use styles than format everything

                   manually), (2) Start a

blank .odt and copy and paste my article

                   content and load the styles

from my template and save to doc later (and

                   maybe then to docx on a

windows machine).

Which method do you think would give the best

                   results? The priority is

for the finished pieces to look consistent in

                   MS Word... and also allow

other people to edit the .docs in Word with

                   minimal quirky things

going on.

Thanks for all this advice.


On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
If you can use MS Office to do some final

                   proof-reading then you are

unlikely to have any problems.

We have been assuming that is not possible

                   and that would make the

final outcome uncertain.  Being able to

                   quickly scroll through before

sending it out into the world kinda

                   eliminates that uncertainty.

If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt

                   format and then at the

end convert to Doc format then you should

                   find that there are no


Virgil seems to be talking about a very

                   specific set of styles or

method of using styles.  He is talking

                   about changing styles (such as

changing the font of "text body") on

                   different pages within the same

document.  If you need to do that it might

                   be worth creating

duplicates of the styles and then modifying

                   the duplicates?  I'm not

sure how to deal with that but Virgil has

                   probably found a

work-around if needed.

I would keep copies of

                   photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts

just in case you do run into problems.  LO

                   does have an extremely

rare intermittent bug that is difficult to

                   pin down but seems to be

getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up

                   goes on.  You know that you

can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip

                   and then double-click to

see the Xml coding inside along with

                   folders for various things such

as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way

                   to fix problems but it's a

bit risky.  The Xml tags and such are very

                   different in the 2 formats

so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create

                   fairly serious problems.

Stick with the "Save As ...".  the Doc

                   format doesn't open in that

way and doesn't hold images in an image

                   format which is another

reason i suggest keeping a copy of images


Also i have sometimes found that mysterious

                   things happen during the

course of a Word document.  So to save

                   myself a lot of time i tend to

start with a fresh new Odt and then use
Ctrl Shift v
to paste in "unformatted text" and then

                   apply styles (and maybe

modfied the styles after to watch the mod

                   ripple through the

document). Occasionally i have wanted to

                   "just do something quickly"

and then been frustrated by some weird bit

                   of insane MS formatting

that just keeps throwing up problems until

                   i relent and do the "start

again from scratch" approach which has then

                   typically taken just a

few minutes even if the problem seemed


Regards from
Tom :)


*From:* Info/UX <>
*To:* Virgil Arrington <>
*Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users]

                   LibreOffice paragraph styles

exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Virgil.

I can probably alter any lists when I work

                   in an MS environment at the

final stage of formatting.

Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering

                   if I use slightly more

advanced features of LibreOffice to get my

                   results whether it would

cause more problems when working in Word. I

                   am trying to keep the

process relatively simple. The articles

                   only need to have consistent

fonts and spacing and perhaps one page

                   break for the bibliographies. I

have starting created a LibreOffice

                   template with customised paragraph

styles and some changes to the page style.

                   I was planning to apply this

to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my

                   formatting would transfer to

Word, I don't mind making some manual

                   adjustments at that stage.


On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
In my experience, most paragraph

                   styles tend to translate well to

MS-Word formats. However, I've had

                   problems with the alignment of

automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO

                   and MSW seem to align them


One bigger difference, however, is the

                   way the two formats handle page

formatting. LO uses page styles to

                   change formatting from one page to

another, whereas Word does not. It

                   uses section breaks to make such

page formatting changes, and I've

                   found discrepancies in translating

page formatting between the two.


From: Info/UX

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
To: <mailto:users@global.** <>>
Subject: [libreoffice-users]

                   LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to

other software/formats?


Apologies if this is a basic question.

                   I've been given some

documents to
format according to certain style

                   guidelines. The files are mostly

and .doc and must be sent off in this

                   format. I work only with

LibreOffice. My questions is, if I

                   format the articles using paragraph

and page styles rather than just

                   directly changing the format in the

body of the document, will the

                   formatting be maintained when the

documents are opened in MS Office? I

                   am not concerned with small

discrepancies that can be tweaked

                   later on, rather whether this method

of formatting generally transfers

                   well. Again, sorry if it's a silly


Many thanks.

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