Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?

       and from the 10C ... we have the definitions  ;-)

The cubit was the length of the arm [Henry I's] from the tip of the finger
to the elbow; this then subdivided into shorter units as the foot, hand (at
4 inches used for expressing the height of horses) finger; added together
made longer units as the stride.
The yard would be "the distance from the tip of the King's nose to the end
of his outstretched thumb".

       BTW - just what is A4 - curiously wondering;
                    here, we use 8-1/2" X 11" or legally speaking 16" X 11"

       from the peanut-gallery's historical corner  ;-)

       BTW 2 - just what is this metric system which the English Kings seem
to be using now days  ;-)
             yet they still drive on the left  ;-)



From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>, Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org


A unit of measurement in what is commonly known as the “English” system.

Virgil



From: Tom Davies
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:44 PM
To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?

Hi :)
What's an inch?

Regards from
Tom :)



From: Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?


Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-)

Ryan



On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote:

When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is
8.5 by 11 inches?

> Virgil
> From: Tom Davies
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM
> To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
>  Hi :)
> Good point about using US-letter!  That might make the
             biggest difference!

> Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US
             and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still
             fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4.  That
             might make more difference than which method you use.

> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________**__
> From: Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
>
>
> Thanks, Virgil.
>
> My documents are similar to yours. One last question
                   then I'll give you

> guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with
                   page size "letter"

> and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't
                   need anything more

> intricate than that.
>
> Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have
                   Linux at home so will

> probably stick with LO.
>
> Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot.
>
> Regards,
> Ryan
>
> On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
> > My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms
>                    of formatting.

> Typically, they are either legal or academic
> >
>                    style papers. I'm a heavy

> user of paragraph styles and won't work without
> >
>                    them.

> > I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and
>                    then at the end convert

> to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph
> >
>                    styles, but I would avoid

> LO specific methods.
> > Another option is a shareware word processor
>                    called Atlantis. It's a

> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no
> >
>                    ribbon) with a $35.00

> registration. I often use it when Word
> >
>                    compatibility is paramount. It

> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I
> >
>                    honestly don't know why

> MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It
> >
>                    doesn't support tables, but

> other than that, it will handle simple formats
> >
>                    very well and will

> produce a result that Word should read fairly
> >
>                    well.

> > Virgil
> >
> >   From: Info/UX
> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM
> > To: Tom Davies
> > Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice
>                    paragraph styles exported

> to other software/formats?
> > Thanks, Tom, Virgil.
> >
> > If I wanted to use different text body styles
>                    throughout I would

> probably have made new styles and called them
> >
>                    text body 1, 2, etc.

> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this
> >
>                    case. But I have created my

> simple template with basic paragraph and page
> >
>                    styles.

> > So, in trying to process the information in
>                    both of your replies, I feel

> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS
> >
>                    formats (.docx, but .doc if

> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's
> >
>                    special features (even so,

> I'd rather use styles than format everything
> >
>                    manually), (2) Start a

> blank .odt and copy and paste my article
> >
>                    content and load the styles

> from my template and save to doc later (and
> >
>                    maybe then to docx on a

> windows machine).
> > Which method do you think would give the best
>                    results? The priority is

> for the finished pieces to look consistent in
> >
>                    MS Word... and also allow

> other people to edit the .docs in Word with
> >
>                    minimal quirky things

> going on.
> > Thanks for all this advice.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ryan
> >
> > On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:
> >
> > > Hi :)
> > > If you can use MS Office to do some final
> >                    proof-reading then you are

> unlikely to have any problems.
> > > We have been assuming that is not possible
> >                    and that would make the

> final outcome uncertain.  Being able to
> > >
> >                    quickly scroll through before

> sending it out into the world kinda
> > >
> >                    eliminates that uncertainty.

> > > If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt
> >                    format and then at the

> end convert to Doc format then you should
> > >
> >                    find that there are no

> surprises.
> > > Virgil seems to be talking about a very
> >                    specific set of styles or

> method of using styles.  He is talking
> > >
> >                    about changing styles (such as

> changing the font of "text body") on
> > >
> >                    different pages within the same

> document.  If you need to do that it might
> > >
> >                    be worth creating

> duplicates of the styles and then modifying
> > >
> >                    the duplicates?  I'm not

> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has
> > >
> >                    probably found a

> work-around if needed.
> > > I would keep copies of
> >                    photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts

> just in case you do run into problems.  LO
> > >
> >                    does have an extremely

> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to
> > >
> >                    pin down but seems to be

> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up
> > >
> >                    goes on.  You know that you

> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip
> > >
> >                    and then double-click to

> see the Xml coding inside along with
> > >
> >                    folders for various things such

> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way
> > >
> >                    to fix problems but it's a

> bit risky.  The Xml tags and such are very
> > >
> >                    different in the 2 formats

> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create
> > >
> >                    fairly serious problems.

> Stick with the "Save As ...".  the Doc
> > >
> >                    format doesn't open in that

> way and doesn't hold images in an image
> > >
> >                    format which is another

> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images
> > >
> >                    nearby.

> > > Also i have sometimes found that mysterious
> >                    things happen during the

> course of a Word document.  So to save
> > >
> >                    myself a lot of time i tend to

> start with a fresh new Odt and then use
> > > Ctrl Shift v
> > > to paste in "unformatted text" and then
> >                    apply styles (and maybe

> modfied the styles after to watch the mod
> > >
> >                    ripple through the

> document). Occasionally i have wanted to
> > >
> >                    "just do something quickly"

> and then been frustrated by some weird bit
> > >
> >                    of insane MS formatting

> that just keeps throwing up problems until
> > >
> >                    i relent and do the "start

> again from scratch" approach which has then
> > >
> >                    typically taken just a

> few minutes even if the problem seemed
> > >
> >                    intractable.

> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >                     ------------------------------**
------------------------------**------------

> *From:* Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
> > > *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
> > > *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
> > > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users]
> >                    LibreOffice paragraph styles

> exported to other software/formats?
> > > Thanks, Virgil.
> > >
> > > I can probably alter any lists when I work
> >                    in an MS environment at the

> final stage of formatting.
> > > Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering
> >                    if I use slightly more

> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my
> > >
> >                    results whether it would

> cause more problems when working in Word. I
> > >
> >                    am trying to keep the

> process relatively simple. The articles
> > >
> >                    only need to have consistent

> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page
> > >
> >                    break for the bibliographies. I

> have starting created a LibreOffice
> > >
> >                    template with customised paragraph

> styles and some changes to the page style.
> > >
> >                    I was planning to apply this

> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my
> > >
> >                    formatting would transfer to

> Word, I don't mind making some manual
> > >
> >                    adjustments at that stage.

> > > Thanks,
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > > On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> > > > In my experience, most paragraph
> >                    styles tend to translate well to

> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had
> > >
> >                    problems with the alignment of

> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO
> > >
> >                    and MSW seem to align them

> > differently.
> > > > One bigger difference, however, is the
> >                    way the two formats handle page

> > formatting. LO uses page styles to
> > >
> >                    change formatting from one page to

> > another, whereas Word does not. It
> > >
> >                    uses section breaks to make such

> > page formatting changes, and I've
> > >
> >                    found discrepancies in translating

> > page formatting between the two.
> > > > Virgil
> > > >
> > > > From: Info/UX
> > >
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
> > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.**
> > > libreoffice.org <users@global.libreoffice.org>>
> > > > Subject: [libreoffice-users]
> >                    LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to

> > other software/formats?
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Apologies if this is a basic question.
> >                    I've been given some

> documents to
> > > > format according to certain style
> >                    guidelines. The files are mostly

> .docx
> > > > and .doc and must be sent off in this
> >                    format. I work only with

> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I
> > >
> >                    format the articles using paragraph

> > and page styles rather than just
> > >
> >                    directly changing the format in the

> > body of the document, will the
> > >
> >                    formatting be maintained when the

> > documents are opened in MS Office? I
> > >
> >                    am not concerned with small

> > discrepancies that can be tweaked
> > >
> >                    later on, rather whether this method

> > of formatting generally transfers
> > >
> >                    well. Again, sorry if it's a silly

> > question.
> > > > Many thanks.
> > > > Ryan

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