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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?

Tom Davies <tomdavies04 -AT- yahoo.co.uk>
Tue, 27 Aug 2013 00:44:30 +0100 (BST)

Hi :)
What's an inch?  

Regards from
Tom :)  




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 From: Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> 
Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
 


Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-)

Ryan


On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote:

When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is 8.5 by 11 inches?

 
Virgil 
From: Tom Davies 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM
To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?
  Hi :)
Good point about using US-letter!  That might make the

              biggest difference!


Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US

              and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still
              fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4.  That
              might make more difference than which method you use.

Regards from 
Tom :)  

________________________________
From: Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> 
Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Virgil.

My documents are similar to yours. One last question

                    then I'll give you

guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with

                    page size "letter"

and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't

                    need anything more

intricate than that.

Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have

                    Linux at home so will

probably stick with LO.

Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot.

Regards,
Ryan

On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:

My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms

                    of formatting.

Typically, they are either legal or academic

                    style papers. I'm a heavy

user of paragraph styles and won't work without

                    them.


I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and

                    then at the end convert

to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph

                    styles, but I would avoid

LO specific methods.

Another option is a shareware word processor

                    called Atlantis. It's a

lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no

                    ribbon) with a $35.00

registration. I often use it when Word

                    compatibility is paramount. It

does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I

                    honestly don't know why

MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It

                    doesn't support tables, but

other than that, it will handle simple formats

                    very well and will

produce a result that Word should read fairly

                    well.


Virgil

-----Original Message----- From: Info/UX
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM
To: Tom Davies
Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice

                    paragraph styles exported

to other software/formats?

Thanks, Tom, Virgil.

If I wanted to use different text body styles

                    throughout I would

probably have made new styles and called them

                    text body 1, 2, etc.

Luckily nothing like that is needed in this

                    case. But I have created my

simple template with basic paragraph and page

                    styles.


So, in trying to process the information in

                    both of your replies, I feel

I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS

                    formats (.docx, but .doc if

possible) and format with minimal use of LO's

                    special features (even so,

I'd rather use styles than format everything

                    manually), (2) Start a

blank .odt and copy and paste my article

                    content and load the styles

from my template and save to doc later (and

                    maybe then to docx on a

windows machine).

Which method do you think would give the best

                    results? The priority is

for the finished pieces to look consistent in

                    MS Word... and also allow

other people to edit the .docs in Word with

                    minimal quirky things

going on.

Thanks for all this advice.

Regards,
Ryan

On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
If you can use MS Office to do some final

                    proof-reading then you are

unlikely to have any problems.

We have been assuming that is not possible

                    and that would make the

final outcome uncertain.  Being able to

                    quickly scroll through before

sending it out into the world kinda

                    eliminates that uncertainty.


If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt

                    format and then at the

end convert to Doc format then you should

                    find that there are no

surprises.


Virgil seems to be talking about a very

                    specific set of styles or

method of using styles.  He is talking

                    about changing styles (such as

changing the font of "text body") on

                    different pages within the same

document.  If you need to do that it might

                    be worth creating

duplicates of the styles and then modifying

                    the duplicates?  I'm not

sure how to deal with that but Virgil has

                    probably found a

work-around if needed.


I would keep copies of

                    photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts

just in case you do run into problems.  LO

                    does have an extremely

rare intermittent bug that is difficult to

                    pin down but seems to be

getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up

                    goes on.  You know that you

can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip

                    and then double-click to

see the Xml coding inside along with

                    folders for various things such

as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way

                    to fix problems but it's a

bit risky.  The Xml tags and such are very

                    different in the 2 formats

so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create

                    fairly serious problems.

Stick with the "Save As ...".  the Doc

                    format doesn't open in that

way and doesn't hold images in an image

                    format which is another

reason i suggest keeping a copy of images

                    nearby.


Also i have sometimes found that mysterious

                    things happen during the

course of a Word document.  So to save

                    myself a lot of time i tend to

start with a fresh new Odt and then use
Ctrl Shift v
to paste in "unformatted text" and then

                    apply styles (and maybe

modfied the styles after to watch the mod

                    ripple through the

document). Occasionally i have wanted to

                    "just do something quickly"

and then been frustrated by some weird bit

                    of insane MS formatting

that just keeps throwing up problems until

                    i relent and do the "start

again from scratch" approach which has then

                    typically taken just a

few minutes even if the problem seemed

                    intractable.


Regards from
Tom :)

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*From:* Info/UX <infoux@gmx.com>
*To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
*Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users]

                    LibreOffice paragraph styles

exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Virgil.

I can probably alter any lists when I work

                    in an MS environment at the

final stage of formatting.

Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering

                    if I use slightly more

advanced features of LibreOffice to get my

                    results whether it would

cause more problems when working in Word. I

                    am trying to keep the

process relatively simple. The articles

                    only need to have consistent

fonts and spacing and perhaps one page

                    break for the bibliographies. I

have starting created a LibreOffice

                    template with customised paragraph

styles and some changes to the page style.

                    I was planning to apply this

to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my

                    formatting would transfer to

Word, I don't mind making some manual

                    adjustments at that stage.


Thanks,
Ryan

On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:

In my experience, most paragraph

                    styles tend to translate well to

MS-Word formats. However, I've had

                    problems with the alignment of

automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO

                    and MSW seem to align them

differently.

One bigger difference, however, is the

                    way the two formats handle page

formatting. LO uses page styles to

                    change formatting from one page to

another, whereas Word does not. It

                    uses section breaks to make such

page formatting changes, and I've

                    found discrepancies in translating

page formatting between the two.

Virgil

-----Original Message----- From:

                    Info/UX

Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
Subject: [libreoffice-users]

                    LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to

other software/formats?

Hello,

Apologies if this is a basic question.

                    I've been given some

documents to

format according to certain style

                    guidelines. The files are mostly

.docx

and .doc and must be sent off in this

                    format. I work only with

LibreOffice. My questions is, if I

                    format the articles using paragraph

and page styles rather than just

                    directly changing the format in the

body of the document, will the

                    formatting be maintained when the

documents are opened in MS Office? I

                    am not concerned with small

discrepancies that can be tweaked

                    later on, rather whether this method

of formatting generally transfers

                    well. Again, sorry if it's a silly

question.

Many thanks.
Ryan



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