Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with "Help" please

Hi :)
Sorry about the auto-reply from Oscar!  I've taken his name off the CC list so that we don't get 
one too.  


Installing the inbuilt help is the neatest way around the problem and in the longer-term saves 
quite a bit of time.  


The full guides can be downloaded chapter-by-chapter or as a complete book so when i am on a 
different machine i tend to just download whichever chapter i need to solve whatever problem.  


Actually, tbh i tend to ask this list first and then "hit the books" (and google it).  If i find 
the answer first i answer my own thread to close the case.  People on most lists don't like that 
and think a person should spend hours wading through unfamiliar documentation first and then post a 
question and wait hours or even days before getting a response.  Big yawn!  I tend to find my way 
gets a faster result, especially because;
1.  this is an excellent mailing list with tons of fairly amazing people often having their own 
niches

2.  i then put more effort into trying to race against the list to see if i can get there first.  

3.  i tend to find the answers make more sense or are easier to de-geekify because stuff from the 
books is still spinning around in what i like to call my brain.  



Wrt Firefox and IE you have probably got IE set as your default web-browser.  Possibly each time 
you open Firefox you get a pop-up saying that FF is not the default.  When you make FF the default 
that pop-up stops popping up and instead you find IE starts popping up with it's one when you open 
IE.  There is a tick-box in the pop-up that, when unticked, stops that pop-up for that program.  


If you have stopped whichever one from popping up then you can hunt around the "Internet Options" 
or "Preferences" to make the one you are hunting around in the new default.  It's also possible to 
set which programs are the defaults for various things somewhere through the Windows Control Panel. 
 Although each version of Windows does that slightly differently so you'd have to let us know 
whether it's Xp, Win7, Win8 or something else if you wanted help with that.  Also that centralised 
place tends to forget about non-MS programs so, for example, it wouldn't let me choose GEdit as my 
default html editor and only showed me Notepad (which doesn't even do colour-coding).  I think it 
can just about cope with different web-browsers since MS lost that famous court-case in Europe.  


Regards from
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Peter Hunt <peterhunt100@outlook.com>
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> 
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org; Websites@Global.LibreOffice.Org; oscar@keysbabo.it 
> Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 11:24
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with "Help" please
>
>
>
> Hi Tom
>  
> Many thanks indeed for your comprehensive, speedy reply to my “m’aidez” 
(and my thanks too to Oscar for his ‘auto-reply’).
>  
> I use IE and – more recently – Firefox: in light of your advice, I’ll make 
much more use of the latter in the future.  In addition, I’ll follow your 
advice to download and install the 2nd package from the LO downloads page. 
>  
> Many thanks too for sending me details of the extensive help that is 
available through the full guides that you list: I’ll look at them for 
sure.
>  
> Again my thanks
>  
> Regards
>  
> Peter
>  
>   
> From: Tom Davies 
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:40 AM
> To: Peter Hunt ; users@global.libreoffice.org ; Websites@Global.LibreOffice.Org 
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with "Help" 
please
>   Hi :)  
>
> Please 
just click on accept and install the certificate even those MS claim it is 
dodgy.  It's annoying that MS still haven't accepted our certificate into 
their store.  
>  
>  
> I 
take it that you use Internet Explorer as your default web-browser?  Have 
you ever tried Firefox or any of the other choices out there?  FIrefox, 
Opera, Safari, Chrome and pretty much any other web-browsers are far safer and 
faster than IE.  Although we sometimes argue amongst ourselves about which 
is better than the others they are all FAR better than IE in my 
experience.  
>  
> Internet 
Explorer is made by Microsoft and they are quite keen to get people to buy their 
newest versions of their own Office Suite and dissuade people from using 
anything else.  Also IE appears to have considerable trouble with all sorts 
of issues that most others would consider security risk and it (IE) doesn't get 
updates out to people quickly enough to deal with problems.  Just as the 
Eskimos have many words for snow and ice, so MS has many words for different 
sorts of security issues.  MS keep their own store of certificate and use 
their own way of authenticating certificates but that doesn't seem to help them 
become secure.  They block ones that are safe (such as their rivals) and 
allegedly let through ones that aren't.  
>  
> However, 
you can keep using IE if you want to.  It's also quite normal for people to 
have at least 2 web-browsers installed and maybe use each for different things 
or at different times.  
>  
> Also 
you might find it better to install the 2nd package from the downloads page, the 
in-built help.  Once downloaded you install it.  It 'needs' to be 
installed sometime after the initial install of the main program but that could 
be a year or 2 later and after extensive use of LO.  There is no need to do 
it straight-away although most of us do them both at around the same time to 
avoid forgetting to do so.  
>  
> Since 
you are just starting out with LO you might find the full proper guides quite 
useful
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
> They 
do have an entire team working on those so they are sometimes a bit more 
up-to-date than the in-built help.  It's good to have both but if they 
conflict then it's the Publications that are more accurate.  There is also 
an Faq
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq
> but 
you might find the courses at "Spoken Tutorials" are the best way to learn 
quickly and thoroughly
> http://www.spoken-tutorial.org/list_videos?view=1&foss=LibreOffice-Suite-Writer&language=English
>
> Note 
they have a lot of different non-European languages but their English is 
surprisingly impeccable and friendly.  
>  
>  
> So, 
my suggestions are; 
> 1.  
install and accept the certificate or else just install the in-built help that 
was also on the downloads page but just accepting the certificate is the faster 
answer
> 2.  
Quit using IE and use something safer, faster and more reliable.  Firefox, 
Opera, Safari, Chrome seem to be the most popular (not necessarily in that 
order)
> 3.  
install the Help package that was also on the downloads page.  This way you 
don't need to connect to the internet to reach the help package each time you 
click F1
> 4.  
Download the guides you need or want from the wiki.  I bought the "Getting 
Started Guide" and will probably buy the "Base Handbook" too.  
> 5.  
Use http://www.spoken-tutorial.org to learn about how to use all sorts of 
OpenSource tools (such as Firefox or Chrome as well as LibreOffice)
>  
> Regards 
from 
> Tom 
:)  
> > ________________________________
> > From: Peter Hunt <peterhunt100@outlook.com>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> > Sent: Sunday, 18 August  2013, 9:18
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.1 - Help with "Help" please
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I have just downloaded and 
  installed – with great ease, thank you – the latest version of 
  LibreOffice.  Being new to the suite of programs, I needed help early on 
  so I pressed F1. My browser opened and I was given the text below.  I 
  tried other methods of accessing the online help but always found the same 
  result.
> > Help please!
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > peter 
  hunt
> >       There is a problem with 
  this website's security certificate. 
> >     
> >         
> >     The 
  security certificate presented by this website was issued for a different 
  website's address.
> >       Security certificate 
  problems may indicate an attempt to fool you or intercept any data you send to 
  the server.  
> >         We recommend 
  that you close this webpage and do not continue to this website.  
> >         Click here to close this 
  webpage.  
> >         Continue to this 
  website (not recommended).  
> >           More 
  information  
> >     
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