Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element?

Hi :)
Bug report time! :)  I think it would be good to see documents get lighter
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

They already compare favourably with documents produced by other office suites but even lighter 
than that would be great
Regards from 

Tom :)  






> ________________________________
> From: Holger Schmithüsen <holger.schmithuesen@awi.de>
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>; anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>; 
> users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Friday, 16 August 2013, 8:46
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for the answers so far, however my question isn't answered yet.
>
> @Tom: Well, it's also my plan to stick to using styles. The problem here 
> is not the odt-format itself, but it's the somewhat "messy" 
> implementation in LibreOffice. As I said, when manually removing direct 
> formatting (which hasn't been applied anyway) I get
>
> <text:p text:style-name="Title">This is my title</text:p>
> <text:p text:style-name="Text_20_body">This is a text body 
> paragraph.</text:p>
>
> in "content.xml", which is straight and clean odt-formatting. However, 
> my trouble is the default behaviour of LibreOffice, that it defines all 
> those styles "P1", "P2", "T1", ... which are apparently perfectly 
> meaningless and unnecessary.
>
> So, who knows how to get rid of this overhead by default? Or should this 
> be considered a bug?
>
> Cheers,
> Holger
>
>
> On 08/16/13 01:57, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > I find it easier to stick to using styles and then sometimes edit the 
> > styles as a i go along.
> >
> > I don't know of any format that doesn't throw in tons of extra 
> > formatting.  Rtf is probably the one with the least extra random bits 
> > of unused code but it's a legacy format that is out dated already.  
> > Have you compared with the coding in other formats?  I think Odt 
> > manages to a void a lot of the personal information that gets stored 
> > in Doc and DocX.  I've not really looked at other formats much.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >      *From:* anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
> >      *To:* Holger Schmithüsen <holger.schmithuesen@awi.de>
> >      *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> >      *Sent:* Thursday, 15 August 2013, 19:27
> >      *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create
> >      automatic styles for every new element?
> >
> >            A simple solution - my method - is to merely type whatever
> >      then add
> >      whatever options as I go along;
> >                  this saves time in that I know what's what.
> >
> >            If you set these templates, then decide that the title should be
> >      smaller, or wish to set off some quote, or add some footnote, ...
> >      ... ...
> >      then you're stuck with whatever the template wants.
> >
> >            I basically did/do the same thing when writing HTML - in
> >      fact, now,
> >      I have quite a lengthy page of HTML code which I apply whenever
> >      necessary -
> >      sure saves time having to remember what's what.
> >
> >            Just some thoughts from the KIS corner  ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >      On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Holger Schmithüsen <
> >     holger.schmithuesen@awi.de <mailto:holger.schmithuesen@awi.de>> wrote:
> >
> >      Hi!
> >      >
> >      > When I create a new Writer document, each element I enter in the
> >      document
> >      > (like a heading or paragraph) adds new elements to
> >      > <office:automatic-styles> in "content.xml", even though I do not
> >      use any
> >      > direct formatting. So, selecting style "Title", entering the
> >      title, then
> >      > selecting "Text Body" and entering a paragraph creates the following
> >      > automatic styles in "content.xml":
> >      >
> >      > <office:automatic-styles>
> >      > <style:style style:name="P1" style:family="paragraph"
> >      > style:parent-style-name="Text_**20_body">
> >      > <style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid="**00063317"/>
> >      > </style:style>
> >      > <style:style style:name="P2" style:family="paragraph"
> >      > style:parent-style-name="**Title">
> >      > <style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid="**00063317"/>
> >      > </style:style>
> >      > <style:style style:name="T1" style:family="text">
> >      > <style:text-properties officeooo:rsid="00063317"/>
> >      > </style:style>
> >      > </office:automatic-styles>
> >      >
> >      > and the actual content:
> >      >
> >      > <office:body>
> >      > <office:text>
> >      > <text:p text:style-name="P2"><text:**span
> >      text:style-name="T1">This is my
> >      > title</text:span></text:p>
> >      > <text:p text:style-name="P1"><text:**span
> >      text:style-name="T1">This is a
> >      > text body paragraph.</text:span></text:**p>
> >      > </office:text>
> >      > </office:body>
> >      >
> >      > Now, I can delete the unwanted direct formatting by clicking
> >      "Format -
> >      > Clear direct formatting". Then, the content looks as nice and clean:
> >      >
> >      > <text:p text:style-name="Title">This is my title</text:p>
> >      > <text:p text:style-name="Text_20_body"**>This is a text body
> >      > paragraph.</text:p>
> >      >
> >      > However, this removal of unnecessary direct formatting is not very
> >      > appropriate, as I sometimes do have direct formatting (a
> >      subscript for
> >      > instance).
> >      > Is it possible to suppress Writer's behaviour of defining those
> >      > meaningless automatic styles? And if not, is it possible to get
> >      rid of only
> >      > the meaningless direct formatting, i.e. those <style:style>
> >      elements, that
> >      > do not contain any formatting attributes?
> >      >
> >      > I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.3.3.
> >      >
> >      > Thanks for your help,
> >      > Holger
> >      >
> >      >
> >
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