Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create automatic styles for every new element?

Hi,

thanks for the answers so far, however my question isn't answered yet.

@Tom: Well, it's also my plan to stick to using styles. The problem here 
is not the odt-format itself, but it's the somewhat "messy" 
implementation in LibreOffice. As I said, when manually removing direct 
formatting (which hasn't been applied anyway) I get

<text:p text:style-name="Title">This is my title</text:p>
<text:p text:style-name="Text_20_body">This is a text body 
paragraph.</text:p>

in "content.xml", which is straight and clean odt-formatting. However, 
my trouble is the default behaviour of LibreOffice, that it defines all 
those styles "P1", "P2", "T1", ... which are apparently perfectly 
meaningless and unnecessary.

So, who knows how to get rid of this overhead by default? Or should this 
be considered a bug?

Cheers,
Holger


On 08/16/13 01:57, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I find it easier to stick to using styles and then sometimes edit the 
> styles as a i go along.
>
> I don't know of any format that doesn't throw in tons of extra 
> formatting.  Rtf is probably the one with the least extra random bits 
> of unused code but it's a legacy format that is out dated already.  
> Have you compared with the coding in other formats?  I think Odt 
> manages to a void a lot of the personal information that gets stored 
> in Doc and DocX.  I've not really looked at other formats much.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
>     *To:* Holger Schmithüsen <holger.schmithuesen@awi.de>
>     *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
>     *Sent:* Thursday, 15 August 2013, 19:27
>     *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Why does writer create
>     automatic styles for every new element?
>
>           A simple solution - my method - is to merely type whatever
>     then add
>     whatever options as I go along;
>                 this saves time in that I know what's what.
>
>           If you set these templates, then decide that the title should be
>     smaller, or wish to set off some quote, or add some footnote, ...
>     ... ...
>     then you're stuck with whatever the template wants.
>
>           I basically did/do the same thing when writing HTML - in
>     fact, now,
>     I have quite a lengthy page of HTML code which I apply whenever
>     necessary -
>     sure saves time having to remember what's what.
>
>           Just some thoughts from the KIS corner  ;-)
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Holger Schmithüsen <
>     holger.schmithuesen@awi.de <mailto:holger.schmithuesen@awi.de>> wrote:
>
>     Hi!
>     >
>     > When I create a new Writer document, each element I enter in the
>     document
>     > (like a heading or paragraph) adds new elements to
>     > <office:automatic-styles> in "content.xml", even though I do not
>     use any
>     > direct formatting. So, selecting style "Title", entering the
>     title, then
>     > selecting "Text Body" and entering a paragraph creates the following
>     > automatic styles in "content.xml":
>     >
>     > <office:automatic-styles>
>     > <style:style style:name="P1" style:family="paragraph"
>     > style:parent-style-name="Text_**20_body">
>     > <style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid="**00063317"/>
>     > </style:style>
>     > <style:style style:name="P2" style:family="paragraph"
>     > style:parent-style-name="**Title">
>     > <style:text-properties officeooo:paragraph-rsid="**00063317"/>
>     > </style:style>
>     > <style:style style:name="T1" style:family="text">
>     > <style:text-properties officeooo:rsid="00063317"/>
>     > </style:style>
>     > </office:automatic-styles>
>     >
>     > and the actual content:
>     >
>     > <office:body>
>     > <office:text>
>     > <text:p text:style-name="P2"><text:**span
>     text:style-name="T1">This is my
>     > title</text:span></text:p>
>     > <text:p text:style-name="P1"><text:**span
>     text:style-name="T1">This is a
>     > text body paragraph.</text:span></text:**p>
>     > </office:text>
>     > </office:body>
>     >
>     > Now, I can delete the unwanted direct formatting by clicking
>     "Format -
>     > Clear direct formatting". Then, the content looks as nice and clean:
>     >
>     > <text:p text:style-name="Title">This is my title</text:p>
>     > <text:p text:style-name="Text_20_body"**>This is a text body
>     > paragraph.</text:p>
>     >
>     > However, this removal of unnecessary direct formatting is not very
>     > appropriate, as I sometimes do have direct formatting (a
>     subscript for
>     > instance).
>     > Is it possible to suppress Writer's behaviour of defining those
>     > meaningless automatic styles? And if not, is it possible to get
>     rid of only
>     > the meaningless direct formatting, i.e. those <style:style>
>     elements, that
>     > do not contain any formatting attributes?
>     >
>     > I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.3.3.
>     >
>     > Thanks for your help,
>     > Holger
>     >
>     >
>
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