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Hi :)
This list is not deliberately giving specific agencies any 
information or posts from individuals.  All your login info is protected
 as much as can reasonably be done (although i'm sure all sensible 
people give wrong information or just leave most of it blank).  The 
posts you make are the only thing that is given out but they are 
publicly available by anyone, anywhere that has a web-browser possibly 

If your posts indicate you are from a specific town then some people might remember that or find it 
in the archives.  So, obviously you would give a fake town or just not tell anyone and not hand out 
business cards or flyers or anything unless you wanted people to know.  

I vaguely recall having heard of "Tor" web-browsing
However, i heard it is quite slow.  Also, as "sun shine" pointed out it's a bit of a waste of time 
i you are using Windows.  There are a few OSes, such as versions of Gnu&Linux that do an amazing 
amount to protect your privacy
both use Tor.  If you run either of those on a machine, especially if it's not connected to the 
internet then you can be reasonably sure no-one can snoop.  Tails has a page at DistroWatch so i 
feel reasonably confident about suggesting them
Probably others too but i didn't spend long looking.  Whonix doesn't appear on DW although does 
that mean they are not Gnu&Linux (or Bsd) or that they are more extremely careful and really don't 
want to be known?  Mostly i think these sorts of things are developed to protect canny journos, or 
people living in dangerous and paranoid countries.  Military organisations seem to have only just 
caught onto the idea that a LiveCd is a pretty neat idea for keeping sessions secure but hopefully 
that is just their public face and they are working on these sorts of tools in the back-ground.  

Most people seem quite happy to share almost everything with everyone freely on-line through 
Facebook, MySpace and all the rest.  Not so much a  hidden back-door but a wide open front-door and 
in a "knock all the walls down" type of way.  Everyone is spying on everyone else and happily 
uploading pictures and whatnot of everyone anywhere without any regard to any sort of privacy.  We, 
collectively, sold out our right to privacy (in countries that bothered to pay lip-service to such 
concepts that have never really existed anywhere in reality) gleefully years ago.  

Btw for the first time in just under a decade the UbuntuForums.Com got hacked and all users email 
addresses got collected.  However, swift action (perhaps automated?) shut the whole site down to 
attempt to prevent any other data getting siphoned off.  I changed all my Ubuntu-related passwords 
quite quickly because i get paranoid quite easily so i was expecting other sites to domino but that 
never happened and all other sites have remained safe.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: sun shine <>
Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2013, 10:03
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] couple questions

On 24/07/13 16:12, Bill Zaffer wrote:
I heard about your system on Corbett Report.  The reason I would want to join is do not want NSA 
checking my emails or other forms of communications.  Am I protected with your site.

Also, if I join your system, do I drop my Cox Internet Connection or still keep it plus with 
emails do I get to keep my Outlook or hotmail accounts?

William Zaffer
Scottsdale, Arizona

Stop being exploited, learn to eat healthier at home, learn to live a Earth Friendly lifestyle, 
shop local, and buy more American but  moderate consumption.  We need to rethink and restructure 
the system.  It is not sustainable.
        "If you’re not prepared to be wrong, you’ll never come up with anything original.”

Hello Bill

You may have some misunderstanding about this email list. I'm no tech, 
but what I can say is this and others will no doubt correct me and give 
more info too:

(1) this is an email-based discussion/ support list for people using 
LibreOffice, an open source alternative to MS Office. It does not 
require you to join anything (although you can subscribe for nothing to 
receive replies to your emails - hence I've cc'd you, since I don't know 
if you subscribed or not). The good news is that because LibO is open 
source, the chances for the NSA to have a backdoor access to this suite 
is vanishingly small ... although, of course, using Microsoft as your 
operating system already means that the NSA have a backdoor into your 
system - that is to say, that Microsoft is a surveillance enabled system 
in its own right. This is a link to a google 
search for microsoft nsa backdoor giving 524,000 results.

(2) this will in no way stop the NSA from reading your emails. If you 
want to do that, you have some options. One is to review find out who voted "No" to 
the Amash Amendment and lobby those to actually represent the interests 
of the American people in matters of privacy and civil liberties (2nd 
and 4th Amendment Rights) rather than fuel the paranoid Security 
Industry agenda for Full Spectrum Dominance. Another would be to visit as well as choosing software alternatives from

(3) If you wanted a more secure email, sign up for Hush Mail which 
claims to encrypt your emails and not to record IP addresses or just create phoney Google accounts, and use a 
proxy or a VPN to log into and use these.

(4) This site does not provide an ISP, so you will have to keep your 
existing Net provider unless you decide to opt for an alternative.

I hope this helps clarify some things for you.

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