Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?

Hi :)
There are only around 3 or 4 different "package management systems" so even though there are around 
8 main families of distros and several independent distros they all tend to choose 1 of the 3 or 4 
methods rather than trying to create and maintain their own.  Much the same way that there are only 
around 4 or 5 main Office Suites rather than a different one for each.  The .deb and .rpm are the 
main 2 and probably account for more than 99% of distros.  My usual problem is that i don't know 
how to find out which of the 2 main systems is used and my memory is not up to remembering much.  


Bsd is also unix-based so most of the commands don't need to be changed at all.  However Gnu&Linux 
has more libraries and more options for doing stuff in different ways, or even the same way.  So, 
not all the commands that do work in Gnu&Linux work in Bsd.  Often 1 command has 2 or 3 ways it 
could be written to work in Gnu&Linux but only 1 of those will work with Bsd.  There was some 
attempt to make Gnu&Linux programmers aware of the best alternatives for certain types of commands, 
in order to make commands as Bsd-friendly as possible, but people resist and tend to prefer the 
newer commands.  However for most of the porting process it's just a case of find&replace (and then 
check) and then look through for known issues.  i think the 1 port works on all different Bsd 
distros because they all use the same package management system (i think, but i could be wrong).  
Generally if anything is not already in their repos their package maintainers or repo
 people are quite quick at getting it in or are good at helping you do the porting yourself.  It's 
a LOT less work than porting to Windows!  Also the Bsd team has always been small but excellent and 
the user-base tends to be highly skilled and supportive.


Mageia has LibreOffice by default since 2011.  It's most recent "stable" release has 4.0.3.  It's 
"Cauldron" release has 4.1.0.  For stuff outside of it's repos i think it uses .rpms (Redhat 
Package Management).  At last that's what i think i remember from Mandriva
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia
scroll down to see a list of selected packages included by default.  DW aims to show the most 
important ones (in it's opinion) rather than a full list of everything.  

Slackware seems to be against the idea of having an Office Suite at all due to some sort of  
philosophical issues they have about how their distro should be used.  Generally if there is 
something that is not already in their repos they can get it into the repos very quickly if you ask 
nicely and give them good links but our nasme seems to be mud with them.  They have Caligra Office 
by default and that uses ODF format so it's compatible with LO.  [shrugs]
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=slackware

CentOS is almost a drop-in replacement for Redhat so it uses .rpm installers (similarly with 
Scientific OS).  It aims at "stability" so it's default version of LibreOffice is quite old, the 
3.4.5.  I think Redhat itself probably uses the same version.  
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos

Gentoo has 4.0.3 by default(ish), actually i think it gives you a choice of GOffice, KOffice or 
LibreOffice during install/compiling.  I think they do take stuff from source and then compile the 
complete system but has reasonably good wikis to help (not as good as Arch's (allegedly) 
(probably), of course! ;) )
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo


Downloading Source Code is always an option with any Gnu&Linux or Bsd but you generally don't need 
to.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Anthony Easthope <antisocky@myopera.com>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013, 3:34
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
>
>
> It makes me ask the question how do people on distros such as Gentoo /
> Mageia / Slackware / CentOS solve this problem, Logic tells me that they
> would download the source code from here:
> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=src
>
> This then leads me to the conundrum as to how do they resolve the
> conundrum of dependency!  The whole issue then gets shrouded by the
> different factions of the distros loyal fan-base claiming why their way
> is the +Best+. I myself have been guilty of it!. I propose redoing the
> design of the Linux download page and adding Icons for the DEB based
> installer and the same for the RPM based one. Having a generic Linux
> package as well would also be an advantage perhaps implemented by using
> *bz2 format and using a tux logo as it's header?
>
> It might solve some confusion that I initially had.
> One further comment:
> Would I be right in saying the source code can be ported to work on BSD
> based systems such as FreeBSD and BeOS? I'd be interested in the process
>
> On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, at 07:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Tom Davies wrote:
> >
> > > Hi :)
> > > Hmmm, are you a regular distro-hopper?  Probably a good idea to install onto a new separate 
> > > partition so that you can easily get back to your regular OS if things are not as smooth as 
> > > they first appear!  Should be fun though :)  Good luck and happy hunting! 
> > > Regards from 
> > > Tom :) 
> >
> > I'm an _occasional_ binge distro-hopper, boot up something from a 
> > 'live' drive and have a look, sometimes install for a real 
> > look-around. but basically I've been with the same distro for about 
> > three or so yrs.
> >
> > when it comes to installing for testing, I have one or two machines to 
> > play with for this sort of purpose plus even if I only had one 
> > machine, it's easy to switch in a spare hard-drive and play. (laptops 
> > are easy to open.)
> >
> > and best of all is to know gparted and grub2.
> >
> > F.
> >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>
> > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013, 9:17
> > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Which download for Arch/Manjaro linux?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Kevin Suo / 锁琨珑 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I haven't used Manjaro before, but since it's a derivative of Arch
> > > > > Linux, LibreOffice must be in it's official repo, and installing
> > > > > LibreOffice must be the same as it is in Arch linux, just try:
> > > > >
> > > > > pacman -S libreoffice
> > > > >
> > > > > This will install the most recent libreoffice release for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can also check the arch wiki about libreoffice:
> > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libreoffice
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin Suo
> > > > > Beijing, China.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not completely sure of the question but out of curiosity and 
> > > > booted a 'live' version of manjaro and LO is definitely on board.
> > > >
> > > > the distribution looks quite interesting. I didn't foresee having 
> > > > the patience for arch but manjaro is good for the impatient.
> > > >
> > > > it found everything on my acer aspire 1 725-0802 without any fiddling. 
> > > > I prefer the 'trinity desktop' to kde4 but this version looks quite 
> > > > livable.
> > > >
> > > > I may actually install it. beats doing real work.
> > > >
> > > > F.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 06/09/2013 09:45 AM, Anthony Easthope:
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was curious as I'm currently in the process of migrating
> > > > > > my distribution to manjaro Linux which is the best download for it? I'm
> > > > > > having some confusion as Manajro is a Arch derivative that is neither
> > > > > > RPM or DEB based, for those that don't know Arch has the AUR (Arch user
> > > > > > repository) which is essentially one massive storehouse for all the
> > > > > > packages available for GNU/linux at this time. It works on the same
> > > > > > principle as Ubuntu's PPA system except instead of there
> > > > > > being multiple depositary's there is just one. Arch uses a rolling
> > > > > > release model so it is at the cutting edge of all software / kernel
> > > > > > changes, However the same can not be said for their LO packages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Anthony Easthope
> > > > > > antisocky@myopera.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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