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Hi :)
There are a lot of very simple drawing programs on Gnu&Linux;  gpaint (a bit like "Paint" in 
Windows accessories), gnome-paint, apparently mtpaint is as bit less simple and good for photos but 
still very basic.  

Draw is excellent, especially for what you were using it for.  The arrows problem could have been 
solved in gimp by creating a 2nd layer and then put the arrow in there.  Then keep an original in 
xcf format and save as png, or gif (or even jpg if you must) for sharing.  However, Draw was 
probably the best choice to keep it simple!
Regards from 

Tom :)  

From: Girvin R. Herr <>
To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <> 
Cc: LibreO - Users Global <> 
Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013, 19:36
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] GIMP - was: CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not 

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
On 06/07/2013 03:50 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I need to relearn the interface for Paint Shop Pro X5, when I used 
version 5 since the XP days.  But since I can not get v5 to install 
on Win7 Home Premium that my laptop has, I had to upgrade it and 
relearn the new interface.  Same with PSP 5 or X5 vs. GIMP.  The 
time it takes to relearn how to do the things that comes very easily 
to me with the old interface, well it is very frustrating to say the 
least and has taken 2 to 5 times longer to do the things I want/need 
to do.
Ahh!  The Gimp.  Great program and I do have some use for it. 
However, learning it has a _steep_ learning curve for me and, 
frankly, sitting at the screen and reading the online manual is not 
what I would prefer using my limited time for.  There are several 
"learning" books out there, but which one is the best one I need to 
learn The Gimp?  That is my problem with it.  Once or twice I fiddled 
with it and got it to do somewhat what I wanted, but it wasn't very 
intuitive and I feel it could do so much more for me.  If I could 
just get a good book on it and sit down and play with it...
Girvin Herr


Yes GIMP has a steep learning curve.  As for learning curves, ever try 
to use Photoshop?  
Now that has a steep learning curve if you have not dealt with such a 
package before.  PSP5 was so easy to use and learn, plus it had 
everything I wanted or needed for my work.

Also GIMP does not have all of the "filters" that I had with Paint 
Shop Pro 5 [or the new X5].

If there was an easier and/or better graphics program that I could use 
with Ubuntu 12.05, then I would give it a try.

Sometimes the books I have seen in the stores, or online, seem to be 
written by and for the graphic artist, and not those of us who need it 
for the more simple things, like repairing old photos or dealing with 
simple pixel-based graphics.  
Right on!  That's all I need it for.  A while back I tried to add arrow 
lines to a photo as an experiment to document where components were on a 
project.  I couldn't get The Gimp to do it, though I was sure it could.  
In The Gimp, I could add the lines, but since it was not a vector (two 
end points), I could not move those lines if I needed to squeeze in 
another line beside it, unless I erased each and every pixel.  I ended 
up using LO Draw, which is a vector drawing program, not a bitmap 
drawing program like The Gimp!  It did a fine job and I was even able to 
add an underlying, slightly wider white line to enhance the readability 
of the black line over dark photo imagery.  How many Gimp books must I 
buy and dispose of before I get one that is basic enough for me (i.e. 
"Gimp for Dummies?")
for all [most] vector-based graphics, I use Inkscape.  I have not 
really sat down and learned Draw for these things, yet.  I am so use 
to Corel Draw 11, Inkscape is similar enough to use, is I am using 
Ubuntu.  I have Corel Draw 11 on a Win7 laptop.
I am very familiar with LO Draw.  I use it a lot to draw diagrams in 
technical manuals.  Draw does have some quirks, but it is fairly easy to 
use and productive.  I am still learning things about it, such as 
freezing areas by putting them on a separate layer and making it 
unchangeable (unselectable?).  That is required to allow inner objects 
to be selected without selecting a larger outer object.  I generally use 
it as an embedded object in a Writer document, which has even more 
quirks.  For some reason, the embedded Draw is a subset of the 
stand-alone Draw.  For instance, zoom is not supported in the embedded 
version, so it gets difficult sometimes to work on a small object or 
grid.  I have also found some quirks about scaling and adjusting 
locations in the embedded version.  It can get really squirrelly 
sometimes.  For example, if I try to enlarge the drawing in the embedded 
Draw by dragging the tags, nothing will happen. Then all of a sudden, 
the drawing will greatly enlarge, clipping the edges, and I cannot get 
it back to full extents again.  As I said, squirrelly.  I discovered the 
adjustments in the object frame properties to be helpful there. 

I just wish I really had the time to sit down and "play" with the 
packages, GIMP, Draw, and others, with a good book of instructions to 
help walk me through the processes.
Ahh!  There's the rub.  I have the same problem.  I usually start 
reading up on something to address a need, get distracted by something 
of higher priority, and then never get back to the book.  Sometimes the 
original need goes away and it isn't so bad. Other times, I just don't 
get back to the problem.  For example, I started reading up on Java a 
few months ago in order to learn enough about it to fix some non-fatal 
bugs in a database Report Generator (RG) I am using instead of the LO 
Base Oracle Report Builder (ORB), which I find too buggy to use.  I got 
into chapter 2, got torn away from it by other priorities, and now that 
book is still on my coffee table gathering dust.  I have no idea when I 
will ever get back to it.  Probably when I next use the RG and get 
irritated with the bugs.

Girvin Herr

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