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Hi :)
Good to see another professor that is not a moron about soemthing outside of her/his specialism!
Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013, 15:18
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

On 06/07/2013 05:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
The MS Office Eula makes similar claims on the rights of work produced
using their software.  MS owns your work!  You don't!  It'd be
interesting to see that one stand up in court though.  Too many
precedents exist where MS has not fought to enforce that part of their
own Eula.  So, I can't imagine any judge anywhere allowing that.  Hmm,
maybe MS have changed their Eula since i last read it thoroughly about a decade or so ago.

I too wouldn't touch Kingsoft with a barge pole.  I want to steer towards using formats that 
will be
around and usable in a few years time.  I want to be able to open
documents maybe 10-20 years from now without having to struggle against
malware and without having to try to find long-dead versions of long
dead software produced by a company that may not even exist by then.

What i tend to find is that people use all sorts of rubbishy excuses for why they 'cant' move 
away from certain software.  They moan and grumble
about petty issues in an alternative they have been handed but then go
and find some other alternative that they feel more in control of because they chose it.  Once 
they have made the break away from that certain software they become more reasonable about 
looking at other
alternatives realistically.

One of the commonest grumbles i hear about LO (at the moment) is that it
uses the old interface and not the nice new ribbon-bar.  So, 'obviously' LO is old!  (Easy to 
see how FUD develops, right?).  Kingsoft neatly
deal with that and such grumblers can now be pointed towards that as an
alternative.  Of course when i do that i will still be quite disparaging about the ribbon-bar 
specifically and about proprietary software (and
formats) in general but at least now i can sound like it's not "just sour grapes",
just because LO hasn't got it.  Now i can be seen to be offering genuine choices rather than 
trying to herd people in a direction they might not want to go.

I was talking to a professor a few days ago.  He does not like the newer 
versions due in part to "the way they keep changing the interface and 
how to do things". I made sure he know about LO.  He loved the multi 
language part as well.

I did not like the "ribbon" menu system either.  Sure, the type of 
interface that LO uses has been around for years, but that does not mean 
you need to change it.  "Refreshing" or redesigning the interface, just 
because you can, is not a reason to.  One of the good things about LO as 
it went from 3.3 though 4.0 is the way the interface does not change, or 
has a slow change so it does not "stand up and slap your face" with the 
changes.  Once you learn "what is where" and how to do things, changing 
that will cause problems.  Sure the interface could use some 
enhancements, like the "persona" addition, but to keep our users happy, 
you must not make the users relearn how to do things or where are the 
menu options are now located.


Of course any fool that does escape the one trap by jumping into another
is still able to completely jump free by trying out LO at some point in
the future.  Perhaps by then they will be ready.

Regards from
Tom :)

From: Jay Lozier <>
To: Tom Davies <>
Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013, 1:46
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:09:48 -0400, Tom Davies <>

Hi :)
That comment looks like FUD to me.  Where are the links to substantiate
his claims?  There is a lot of FUD about China at the moment.  Perhaps
some is true but western journalism has it's own biases so getting at
the truth is a tad tricky.
Also it's not Cnet that are recommending Kingsoft.  It's only the
author's opinion.  PLus it's got a question mark after it.  If you
search through Cnet you will probably find similar claims in titles of
articles about LibreOffice

This page in Wikipedia
shows Kingsoft has been around since 1988 and is available for Windows
and Gnu&Linux (incl Android).  LibreOffice's first release date is
listed as 2010 which just shows how tricky it is to adequately report on
such things.  Many people would say the first release of LO is the same
as OpenOffice and that should be the same as StarOffice's first release
date over a decade ago.  I just had to do a little editing there myself
but if you check the history you can see that the lines about Kingsoft
have been unchanged for ages, possibly years.

Regards from

Tom :)

Kingsoft appears to use a proprietary format with MSO support. Also, they
only have Writer, Calc, and Impress equivalents. Those two issues make me
wary about the package: poor ODF support and limit suite. The ODF issue is
philosophical; I prefer to use an open, ISO format that means my files are
much less likely to be orphans in future. Most long time computer users
have data that is in obsolete file formats if not on obsolete media.

From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>
To: LibreO - Marketing Global <>;
LibreO - Users Global <>
Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013, 19:48
Subject: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO
alternative is not LO

I never even heard of this office packages company.

If the commenter is correct, then CNET really need to rethink their


Kingsoft Office 2013: The best free Microsoft Office alternative?

Not only does it have the best interface around, it also brings
innovations like tabbed document viewing and drag-and-drop paragraph
Rick Broida
by Rick Broida
June 5, 2013 10:52 AM PDT


One of the replies to that article is as follows

25 minutes ago

You do know Kingsoft is a communist Chinese company whose nation has
been conducting unrelenting hack attacks to strip America of all its
technology? If you can't build it, steal it is their credo. What better
way to open up a million backdoors then by offering free software that
exactly emulates Microsoft's flagship program.

By the way read their EULA very carefully. IT CLEARLY STATES THAT
Have you read it Karyn?  I downloaded this software several years ago
read that EULA and used Revo to deepscan uninstall that software. It had
put tendrils all through my computer. Revo is very good and got it all,
but don't be fooled.

This is part and parcel to China's hacking attempts and for cnet to
recommend it is both incredibly naive and questionable at best.

I doubt the reviewer ever read the Kingsoft EULA (nor have I). Though you
do bring a good point about EULA's being highly anti-consumer as typically
written by most properietary software companies. I would not be surprised
if some EULA's by others claim ownership of all documents created by the

Jay Lozier

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