Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

Hi Anne :)
Really don't worry about my answer!  I kinda wish i could pull it!  it's becoming quite interesting 
but is sooo far off-topic and tangential that it's not even in orbit of anything anymore.  
Regards from
Tom :)






> ________________________________
> From: anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> 
> Cc: Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org> 
> Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 21:46
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
>
>
>
>        No apologies necessary - 
>            it was just me being 'cute' again  ;-)
>
>        Your response might make sense to me after I figure out what's what on that link - still 
> studying it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi :)
> > Yes, sorry about that!  When i started writing it all seemed clear in my mind but then somehow i 
> > got a bit lost after the 1st sentence and never found my way back to solid ground.  
> >
> > Felmon's answer said much the same i think but was much shorter and clearer.  Plus the link too.  
> > Altogether much better!
> > Apols and regards from 
> > Tom :)  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
> > > To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> 
> > > Cc: Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> > > <users@global.libreoffice.org> 
> > > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 18:23
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >        Thanks for this summation -
> > >            as for now, it's 'clear as mud'  ;-)
> > >
> > >        Felmon - I'm studying the page you sent me.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi :)
> > > > Programs with tk (or more
 usually gtk) at the end or at the beginning are
> > > > for a one type of DE for Gnu&Linux.  Sometimes a G is used instead.  The
> > > > other main type of DE usually has K or Qt at the front of it's programs.
> > > >
> > > > Often programs have a "back-end" or "command-line" tool that does most of
> > > > the heavy lifting and then different "front-ends" or "Gui"s are put on for
> > > > each of the 2 main types.
> > > >
> > > > Typically we talk about families of distros but even a single distro might
> > > > have 2 or 3 versions with each one having a different type of DE.  If you
> > > > choose the 'wrong one' then you can choose whether to install the other DE
> > > > or get a different version of the distro that does have the 'right one'.
> > > > Tim at Kracked Press has somethings he likes in each of the main DEs so he
> > > > installs both.  It makes his system a bit more bloated but means he can use
> > > > choose more
 apps.
> > > > DE = Desktop Environment.  The main 2 are Gnome and KDE.  Most of the rest
> > > > (Xfce, Unity, Enlightenment and probably hundreds more) tend to be able to
> > > > use front-ends written for one or the other.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, so it's not quite that simple.  2 extra wrinkles;
> > > > 1.  Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really
> > > > a WM (=window manager (note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE) and
> > > > Xfce apps work well in Gnome.  Gnome is a bit heftier (a bit more "fully
> > > > functionally" if you know what i mean) so it's fairly normal to find a G
> > > > (stands for Gnome) instead of the rarer Gtk but then that's a pain because
> > > > the app might need a 3rd front-end instead of just having 2 to reach
> > > > everyone.
> > > > 2.  Going back to seeing the K at the beginning of apps written for KDE
> > > > makes sense but why the Qt?  Well,
 until recently Qt was less streamlined
> > > > and was a lot of the weight in KDE.  Now it is a lot faster and lighter it
> > > > seems that Gnome or distros using Gnome have pulled it in but just not
> > > > quite enough of it for Tim's requirements.
> > > > 3.  Since Gnome often can run apps built for the 3 main DEs shouldn't that
> > > > make it the DE of choice!?  Oddly not.  It's been forked in at least 2 or 3
> > > > different directions and in Ubuntu it's been replaced by Unity (which can
> > > > also run a lot of the Gnome, Xfce or KDE apps but is extremely unpopular
> > > > amongst purists)
> > > >
> > > > I hope that helps!!  I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going
> > > > to get deluged with unwanted flaming or something!  Something i like about
> > > > Gnu&Linux is the passion and that we go all sorts of different ways but
> > > > somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of
 each others
> > > > achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough)
> > > > Regards from
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    ------------------------------
> > > >   *From:* anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
> > > > *To:* Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu>
> > > > *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > *Sent:* Friday, 12 April 2013, 16:29
> > > >
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> > >
> > > >        Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is -
> > > >            and how to acquire it ...
> > > >                or is this something only for Linux users 
 ;-)
> > > >        The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about
> > > > these 'glorified-typewriters'  :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Jay,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the reply.  I'm using Linux (Slackware).  Unfortunately,
> > > > > > exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various
> > > > > > drawings that can't be omitted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a
> > > > > pdf then use pdftk.
> > > > >
> > > > > pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one.
>
> > > > > take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via
> > > > pdftk.
> > > > > the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at
> > > > > the same time very simple.
> > > > >
> > > > > Felmon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import
> > > > many
> > > > > > > documents from my colleagues,
 some in word or PDF formats, into a
> > > > single
> > > > > > > file.  Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert->File... on a PDF file
> > > > > > > (I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into
> > > > > > > the document, but that is painful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a way to make File->Insert work, perhaps via a macro?  If not,
> > > > > > > consider this a feature request.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   What OS are you using?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file
> > > > > > and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not
> > > > > > know if this would less or more painful. You
 would have the entire file
> > > > > > at once but would need to format the text.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Felmon Davis
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