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Hi :)
Programs with tk (or more usually gtk) at the end or at the beginning are for a one type of DE for 
Gnu&Linux.  Sometimes a G is used instead.  The other main type of DE usually has K or Qt at the 
front of it's programs.  

Often programs have a "back-end" or "command-line" tool that does most of the heavy lifting and 
then different "front-ends" or "Gui"s are put on for each of the 2 main types.  

Typically we talk about families of distros but even a single distro might have 2 or 3 versions 
with each one having a different type of DE.  If you choose the 'wrong one' then you can choose 
whether to install the other DE or get a different version of the distro that does have the 'right 
one'.  Tim at Kracked Press has somethings he likes in each of the main DEs so he installs both.  
It makes his system a bit more bloated but means he can use choose more apps.  

DE = Desktop Environment.  The main 2 are Gnome and KDE.  Most of the rest (Xfce, Unity, 
Enlightenment and probably hundreds more) tend to be able to use front-ends written for one or the 

Ok, so it's not quite that simple.  2 extra wrinkles;  
1.  Gtk or tk are pretty rarely used but are for the Xfce DE (well really a WM (=window manager 
(note the lower-case w)) but that is nearly a DE) and Xfce apps work well in Gnome.  Gnome is a bit 
heftier (a bit more "fully functionally" if you know what i mean) so it's fairly normal to find a G 
(stands for Gnome) instead of the rarer Gtk but then that's a pain because the app might need a 3rd 
front-end instead of just having 2 to reach everyone.  
2.  Going back to seeing the K at the beginning of apps written for KDE makes sense but why the Qt? 
 Well, until recently Qt was less streamlined and was a lot of the weight in KDE.  Now it is a lot 
faster and lighter it seems that Gnome or distros using Gnome have pulled it in but just not quite 
enough of it for Tim's requirements.  
3.  Since Gnome often can run apps built for the 3 main DEs shouldn't that make it the DE of 
choice!?  Oddly not.  It's been forked in at least 2 or 3 different directions and in Ubuntu it's 
been replaced by Unity (which can also run a lot of the Gnome, Xfce or KDE apps but is extremely 
unpopular amongst purists)  

I hope that helps!!  I hope i got it about right too otherwise i'm going to get deluged with 
unwanted flaming or something!  Something i like about Gnu&Linux is the passion and that we go all 
sorts of different ways but somehow manage to grow and learn from each other or make use of each 
others achievements and even build on them (if individuals are gifted enough)  
Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: anne-ology <>
To: Felmon Davis <> 
Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 16:29
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem

       Curiously wondering what this 'new' PDFtk is -
           and how to acquire it ...
              or is this something only for Linux users  ;-)

       The longer I'm on this amazing list, the more I'm learning about
these 'glorified-typewriters'  :-)

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Felmon Davis <> wrote:

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, David Ronis wrote:

Hi Jay,

Thanks for the reply.  I'm using Linux (Slackware).  Unfortunately,
exporting to text is not an option here as the PDF's contain various
drawings that can't be omitted.


what format does this 'single file' have to be in? if it can be itself a
pdf then use pdftk.

pdftk allows you to 'join' multiple pdfs into one.

take the .doc stuff and convert to pdf then put it all together via pdftk.

the syntax for pdftk is a bit weird (I find it hard to remember) but at
the same time very simple.


From: Jay Lozier <>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Importing PDF problem
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:18:42 -0400

On 04/05/2013 04:18 PM, David Ronis wrote:

I'm currently working on a large project that requires me to import many
documents from my colleagues, some in word or PDF formats, into a single
file.  Libreoffice doesn't work if I try Insert->File... on a PDF file
(I get an error popup saying Error rereading the file).

I can open the PDF file (in draw) and cut and paste each PDF page into
the document, but that is painful.

Is there a way to make File->Insert work, perhaps via a macro?  If not,
consider this a feature request.


  What OS are you using?

In some pdf readers you can export the entire file as a plain text file
and this file can be opened in Writer or imported into Calc. I do not
know if this would less or more painful. You would have the entire file
at once but would need to format the text.

Felmon Davis

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