Re: [libreoffice-users] A Tale of Two Office Suites

Virgil,

Thanks! It can't be said better!

Isn't the statement that competition helps to improve not simply an excuse to not being force to 
work on an attempt that both (LibO & AOO) teams can work together again?

Isn't MSO a good competitor, which helps improve an OpenSource Office (the combination of LibO and 
AOO) suit  being available for those who just cannot afford MSO?

I really would like to understand what attempts have been made to get both teams together and why 
the attempts failed? And when will the next attempt be made?

I German is a phrase which I found being translated at LEO into English as:  "Constant dripping 
wears away the stone". The Japanese say: "Until the ears hurt".

I hope the responsible persons of LibO and AOO keep talking to each other until they find a way to 
cooperate again as one team to create the best Office Suit available.... and affordable for those 
with less financial resources. That is the real challenge and worthwhile to go for it.

ROSt52


On 2012-12-11 07:28, VA wrote:
> I may be way out of line here, but I’m sending this post to the user lists for both LibreOffice 
> and Apache OpenOffice. I have both programs on my computer and regularly use both. Like many of 
> you out there, I have subscribed to both user lists.
>
> I don’t know the full history behind the Libre/Oracle split, but from what I have read on various 
> forums and lists, there is considerable emotional pain resulting from the split. The result is two 
> different FOSS office suites.
>
> Some have pleaded for the two to combine forces. Others have noted that the competition is good 
> for the end user as it results in more rapid development of improvements to both suites.
>
> I see both sides, but I’d like to point out one thing I have noticed in my own use of the two 
> programs. Some computer programs are what I would call “load and use.” Programs like web browsers 
> and mail clients, etc., require little to no configuration or customization. One can simply do 
> productive use without much thought. I can easily bounce back and forth between Internet Explorer 
> and Firefox, Live Mail and Thunderbird.
>
> Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, 
> page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to 
> my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©.  While it’s not essential, I tend to customize 
> my toolbars and have created helpful macros. Effectively using an office suite requires a 
> commitment akin to a marriage.
>
> For this reason, bouncing back and forth between two suites is counterproductive. I find myself 
> importing and exporting settings, styles, and templates between the two programs rather than 
> simply doing my work.
>
> Why do I put up with this inconvenience? Because each program has essential virtues over the other.
>
> For example, if I need to properly hyphenate my US English, I use LibreOffice as (to date), 
> OpenOffice fails to properly hyphenate US English.
>
> But, if I need to create mailing lists, as I just did for Christmas cards, I use OpenOffice as its 
> Avery 5160 template is more properly aligned than that found in LibreOffice.
>
> LibreOffice remembers my hierarchical stylelist setting, whereas OpenOffice does not, but 
> OpenOffice more effectively supports the advanced Graphite features of the Linux Libertine font.
>
> So, depending on my specific needs, I bounce back and forth. I’m sure many would suggest that I 
> help out by reporting bugs. I have done so, but even I get lost keeping track of the bugs of each 
> program that I am most interested in following.
>
> I suspect this situation will only get worse as each program develops features that will be 
> lacking in the other. And, while I’m not a developer, my guess is that both programs are so 
> complex that keeping up with each other will become an increasingly elusive effort. And, the time 
> will come when decisions will be made NOT to implement features found in the other program.
>
> I truly like the motivation generated with competition, and sometimes having multiple programs on 
> my computer to meet specialized needs can be helpful. But, in the world of office suites, where 
> user commitment is essential to effective use, it would be very helpful to us end users if TDF and 
> Apache could somehow overcome their differences and join forces to give us one glorious office 
> suites rather than two almost glorious office suites.
>
> These are just my thoughts.
>
> I’d be curious as to how many others are using both programs because of advantages of each over 
> the other.
>
> Virgil



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