Re: [libreoffice-users] Suitability of Lo in Small organisations

The freezing may have to do with MATE desktop environment on a Ubuntu 
12.04 system that has Unity, KDE, and MATE installed.

If the freezing is due to that, or dealing with some specific system 
setup that the developers are not using, then they would not know if it 
is my system or some issue that only happens for a few users.

There are so many combinations of OSs and desktop environments for Linux 
and the developers would need 20, 50, or even 100 systems [not virtual] 
to test LO against.  That is not doable for most people who do not have 
the money to buy, let alone have space, to set up all the different 
combinations of system setups.

For LO, there are no experts.  We all have knowledge on what works for 
us and what does not.  I know how to create a dictionary extension, and 
a few other things.  I am not an expert in that field, but I know how to 
do certain things, since I have done them.

I have used Ubuntu Linux as my "default" OS on my desktop since Feb 
2010, BUT I do not know much in the way of doing thing in the Terminal 
Command Line system.  I just do not use it much.  So I need help from 
others, or from online help systems to find the best way to do things 
with the Terminal system.  Actually I rarely use it more than installing 
LO or installing other things that are not part of the Ubuntu Software 
Center, like MATE desktop environment.

On 10/21/2012 05:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I've not had any freezing on Win Xp, Win7 or Ubuntu but that was all with 3.5.4.  The 3.5.7 should 
> be about the same but just a bit more stable.  It's only bug-fixes and such added on so nothing new 
> added and so no new surprises.
>
> If something straight-forwards doesn't work the 1st thing i do is poke around and see if i can find 
> another way.  If not i try a bunch of stuff at roughly the same time;  ask colleagues how they 
> would do it, open up a guide or 2, consider if some other program might be better for the task or 
> if the task needs doing at all.  If still stuck then i would;  rename user-profile, dig around the 
> lists, post a new question to the list, even start reading the documentation i had opened.
>
> Just because people are on this list doesn't mean they are experts.  I guess some people do learn a 
> lot by listening but that still seldom makes us into experts.  There are some experts on thsi list 
> but most questions are really easy to solve or at least point people in the right direction.  I 
> don't think i'm an expert but i've listened a lot.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Pertti Rönnberg <ptjr@elisanet.fi>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2012, 9:51
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Suitability of Lo in Small organisations
> >
> > Best all you LibO experts and Devs!
> > What Webmaster now says is a good example on all the basic level issues that must be completely 
> > eliminated from LibO.
> >
> > Some posts ago I asked what version of LibO at this moment is to be considered as the most reliable 
> > and most stable.
> > And got the answer that LibO3.5.7 is the one for newcomers perhaps followed by LibO3.6.2.
> > (But nothing said about Base, that is my main concern and asked for)
> >
> > For all of you that know LibO's build-up, its features and work-arounds and alternative solutions 
> > these issues may seem simple.
> > But for users like me they are serious - I do not even know where to start looking for a solution 
> > if I meet such a problem.
> > It is really a matter of using LibO or not -- and I do not want to have different programs/suites 
> > for different types of need.
> > My main interest is to get the job done and because of limits in time or costs I cannot accept 
> > delays caused by the tool I use.
> > Obviously I have to continue - even if I don't want to - to buy MSO.
> >
> > A lack of resources is not a valid excuse as long as you can continue developing new bugs and 
> > issues - plus them 1000-2000 already waiting for fixing.
> > I know very well that it is never fun to afterwards repair mistakes - so better not to make them.
> >
> > Waiting for the results of your wise decisions  - especially regarding Windows with some 90% of the 
> > users.
> > Pertti Rönnberg
> >
> >
> > On 20.10.2012 23:57, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> > > The freezing and word count issues - was that on 3.5.6, 3.5.7, or some other version.
> > >
> > > I have noticed that 3.5.7 freezes sometimes on loading/opening with Ubuntu 64-bit 12.04 and MATE desktop.  I 
> > > never saw this with 3.5.6 and Ubuntu 10.04 and GNOME desktop.  Since I upgraded to 12.04 on Oct. 8th and 
> > > 3.5.7 when it came out on the 18th, I did not have "much" time with 12.04 and 3.5.6 to tell if 
> > > there was any issues.
> > >
> > > The freezing happened several times.  Once with clicking on the panel launcher and twice with the right-clicking and "open 
> > > with" option.  The only way to get the LO splash/opening to "unfreeze" is to reboot.  Actually when Ubuntu 
> > > reboots, LO opens up properly.  I have the system set to open any packages with "windows" open when I log off or 
> > > shut-down/re-boot.
> > >
> > > So I do get the freezing splash screen once and a while for 3.5.7.
> > >
> > > Is this an issue with other users of 3.5.7?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/20/2012 03:10 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
> > > > I haven't yet given them the 3.5.7 release as I have still been away!
> > > > the bugs where mainly freezing & wordcount and thelike
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2012, at 03:49 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > +1
> > > > > Was it something that would have been easily fixed by renaming the User
> > > > > Profile?
> > > > > Regards from
> > > > > Tom :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: rost52 <bugquestcontri@online.de>
> > > > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 19 October 2012, 7:17
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Suitability of Lo in Small organisations
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be interesting to learn what version was used, which bugs were observed and if they were
> > > > > > all reported an when.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2012-10-19 10:39, Anthony Easthope wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi guys
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering what would perhaps be the best release of LO to
> > > > > > > recommend to a small charitable organisation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I had a problem with the latest release as it was quite buggy and the
> > > > > > > church & athletics club I installed it for was not to happy when they
> > > > > > > found the bugs interrupted their workflow,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So what is the most stable release?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Anthony Easthope
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > antisocky@myopera.com
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