RE: [libreoffice-users] RTF files rendering: huge differencies in LO 3.4.2 and MSO 2010 -- bug?

Hi :)
Hmm, sorry for the double post.

When you save with LibreOffice it doesn't seem to make much difference which format you use as long 
as the recipient opens the document in any version of LibreOffice.  Even other programs such as 
google-docs seem to be fine with it.  It's just when you try to open with MS Office that images get 
moved around.  

With Word there can often be differences between the way MS Office 2003, 2007 or 2010 displays 
documents even if the original document was saved in MS Office in the first place.  You seem to 
need to be using the same version as whoever you collaborate with.  

Of course there will always be some variation depending on printer settings such as page size (A4 
vs US letter etc).  

Rtf 'should' be  the best cross-suite format.  I thought that was one reason MS designed it?  But 
it's so rarely used that problems with implementation or in the original spec have not been 
entirely fixed.  Oddly the .doc format seems to be the best format for exchanging files between MS 
Office and other programs because it's been used so much for so long that most issues have been 
dealt with.  

One reason for preferring Rtf instead of Doc is the amount of clutter stored in Doc making file 
sizes quite a lot larger in most cases.  Sometimes there is hidden info in there about who first 
created the document, what type of machine, some revision/changes, info about fonts that have been 
used, personal info that may have been stored in a documents properties.  A lot of people don't 
start a fresh new document but just take an old one and delete almost everything to start something 
that looks fresh but still contains lots of hidden info.  Rtf still contains quite a lot about 
fonts but removes personal info that Doc would keep.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa140277(v=office.10).aspx

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 21/9/11, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:

From: Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] RTF files rendering: huge differencies in LO 3.4.2 and MSO 2010 -- 
bug?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: "'Arkady'" <pen.ark@yandex.ru>
Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 23:21

I'm puzzled.

Tom, are you saying the differences that are being talked about here are attributable to 
differences between the ODF 1.1 and ODF 1.2 specification?  (I.e., Microsoft Office supports the 
former, and not the latter at this time.)

Or are they discretionary differences in implementations, where later versions of LibreOffice do it 
better than earlier OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice versions?

There doesn't seem to be any consideration that the problem could be in conversion of RTF on input. 
 Is it known how the RTF was produced?  Could it be an RTF version problem?

Arkady, can you tell us how the RDF was produced?

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 15:00
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF files rendering: huge differencies in LO 3.4.2 and MSO 2010 -- 
bug?

[ ... ]
Doc and DocX have more options but .Odt seems to be best for images.  Sadly MS Office only supports 
early versions of Odt rather than the newer one used by other programs such as LibreOffice.  

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 21/9/11, Arkady <pen.ark@yandex.ru> wrote:

From: Arkady <pen.ark@yandex.ru>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] RTF files rendering: huge differencies in LO 3.4.2 and MSO 2010 -- bug?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 17:02

Hi all!


There's a trouble opening simple RTF file in LO 3.4.2. It is opened, but
it's rendering is incorrect. Same file is correctly opened by MSO 2010. May
someone provide feedback on the issue? 


For reference:


Image ofLO 3.4.2 with opened file 96.rtf
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3355881/file_96_in_libreoffice_342.jpg 


Image of MSO 2010 with opened file 96.rtf
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3355881/file_96_in_mso_2010.jpg 


Original RTF file: 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3355881/96.rtf 96.rtf 


Another problematic RTF file (incorrectly rendered table in LO 3.4.2): 
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3355881/requisites_table_in_russian.rtf
requisites_table_in_russian.rtf 


Have anybody encountered with the issue?ark@yandex.ru



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