[libreoffice-users] Re: Image problems

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Hi Zak,

Thanks for your time & patience in your reply. I agree with your synopsis 
and have experienced each of the issues you mentioned with one exception and 
the addition of the runaway scrolling.
   In case I didn't make it clear, the runaway scrolling occurred when I was 
moving the pages via the scrollbar so I could watch the page numbers easier. 
But I could make the same thing happen by scrolling wtih the mouse wheel.
   The exception is that these documents are OK in Word. Now and then few 
images will move to slightly beyond the page border edge but not many and 
they're pretty easy to spot and correct. My version of Word is Office for XP 
(Word 2002) so maybe that explains why mine works so much better if not 
almost perfectly for image positions. Unless I do something to cause 
repagination of the document, the images all remain aligned OK.
   My goal is to get rid of needing Word, but I'm just not even getting 
close, really. So I'll probably keep Word around until/unless LO gets to the 
point where it can handle my situation. My usual "fix" is just to break a 
large document into several smaller documents to get LO to handle it, 
although I haven't created a Master Document yet and don't know if that will 
bring back the problems. It didn't on another file I did that to. They 
aren't large images either in real estate or file size; they're about 1/16 
of a page, most of them, and there may be 6 to 10 smaller ones per page in a 
table which is apt to really screw up in LO.

One thin I haven't thought of is doing the editing in Web layout; that might 
be worth checking into. That's a good idea,  I think. And yes, I always set 
layout controls on all images. Centered in tables and left in the body text, 
anchor in the same cell as the image.

Thanks for the clarifcations and food for thought!

HTH,

Twayne`


n news:op.vx31csk8ov9kiw@monster-linux.zuhause,
Zak McKracken <zak_mckracken@openoffice.org> typed:
> Oh, boy, sad story!
>
> LO (and OO before that, too) have troubles if you go over
> a certain image density (i.e. the ratio of images to text
> becomes too low). That will make positioning very
> difficult. I have alo noticed that sometimes the
> positioning of images does not seem to work as
> advertised, but that is always hard to be sure about
> since many of the image-placing criterions are not
> obvious.
> That said: I have had to clean up large documents with
> many images before, and this is how it worked best:
> Go to "View -> web layout", that shoud show you the
> document on one endless page, as wide as the LO window
> is. This is as close to the "source" of the document as
> you will get. You can then anchor all images where you
> want them to appear in the text. If the document was
> converted from MS Word maybe you should also make sure
> that each is inside a frame. I always set the frames to
> scale automatically in vertical direction, and the image
> inside it to 100% horizontal size (while keeping aspect
> ratio), then make oush the lower edge of the frame up,
> forcing it to become as small as its content allows it. I
> usually use the frame template and set it to "top of the
> paragraph, right edge of the printable area", anchor to
> paragraph, as well as the sizing stuff. After that
> selecting a frame and doubleclicking the template will do
> the trick. Except if you habe multiple images in one
> paragraph of course, then you'll need to micro-manage,
> because they'll tend to overlap, even if they're not
> allowed to.     After that is done, every image should have a proper
> anchor and know where it's supposed to go. That's when
> it's time to save (better save to a new filename, or save
> a new version) and switch to "print layout". This is when
> LO will determine line and page breaks and so on. This
> will also cause some images to move because they were in
> the middle of a page break or so. There should now be
> much fewer images out of place than in the beginning, and
> those have to be moved by hand.  I have never had one of the 
> scrolling-runaway you
> describe, but still scrolling with an image "in hand" can
> be painful and you'll miss the right place too often. I
> usually set LO to display at least two pages side by
> side, or even more (glad to have a large screen!), then
> scroll to a point where I can see both the page where an
> image is and the page it's supposed to go to. I pull it
> over, and if the zoom should not allow me to position it
> right then, I just leave it in the vicinity, zoom in and
> finish the job.
> Thad said, as mentioned above, there seems to be a
> critical image density above which things go downhill.
> Last time I was useing MS word for a similar project, it
> had the same problem only worse, but that's a long time
> ago, so I can't tell how it is these days. In LO
> sometimes scaling images down a bit helps, or spacing
> them further apart (i.e. avoid having to images in one
> paragraph).
> That said: Both MS Word and LO are not the same as a good
> graphical layout program. If visually pleasing and clean
> graphical design and good layout are priorities, there is
> probably other software out there that is better suited.
> I've heard good things about Scribus, but haven't really
> tested it. It is probably not suited well for large
> texts, though.
> Good luck,
>    Zak





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