Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'.

Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox -AT- gmail.com>
Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:56:10 -0500

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 2:42 PM kainz.a <kainz.a@gmail.com> wrote:

I plan to have at least also groupedbar compact out of experimental. Work
is in finishing.


I have the task of writing the draft for the Calc guide appendix on the
Notebookbar interface changes. Likely that will feed the work on the
Getting Started Guide appendix of the same name.

Adding another UI  will add plenty of work.

I would also hope you mean it when you say it will be finished, because
from a system perspective and IMO tabbed notebook bar was not.
Customization is lost when the new UI is active (extension or user added
buttons not available, extension and user added menus not available) and a
number of keyboard shorts cuts (which actually require the top level menus)
no longer function. I would of thought such details required to be moved
from experimental to standard feature.

Then there are changes, for instance buttons of similar name and function
between standard toolbar and notebook bar actually function slightly
differently (don't know how many of those there are but there have been a
few found and confirmed that the change in behavior is intentional).

Best wishes,

Drew


Am Sa., 24. Nov. 2018, 18:36 hat Nigel Verity <nigelverity@hotmail.com>
geschrieben:

Drew/Mike

That answers all the points I raised. Thanks very much.

It would be both interesting and useful to capture some stats about how
popular the notebookbar vs standard toolbar prove to be, but I'm not sure
this can be automated without being intrusive

Nige
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From: Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com>
Sent: 24 November 2018 16:52
To: nigelverity@hotmail.com
Cc: mike.saunders@documentfoundation.org; Tdf Marketing
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of
LibreOffice'.

Howdy Mike,

I will reply in line.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:56 AM Nigel Verity <nigelverity@hotmail.com
<mailto:nigelverity@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Mike

With the notebookbar coming out of experimental I'm assuming it will be
selected from the "User Interface" item on the "View" menu, as now when the
user permits experimental features.

Yes, but only one item is added to the view menu, 'Tabbed'. The other
versions of a notebookbar visible when experimental features is selected
are still experimental.


This gives 9 options, of which 6 relate to an MS Office type of menu
system. I can't help thinking this will confuse as many people as it
impresses. Has a decision been made as to which option is the default for a
user selecting the notebookbar rather than the classic menu? Perhaps a
one-click method to toggle between the default notebookbar and classic menu
should be considered.

With 6.2 the default look after installation is the Standard Toolbar (as
old and stayed as that look is).

Switching to the Tabbed (notebook bar) is available, by module, from the
top level View menu.

When the Tabbed (notebook bar) is visible the top level menu is removed.
The Tabbed bar now offers two drop down menus, one is available across all
tabs, there is  also a tab specific menu.

The ability to change back to the Standard Toolbar UI is always available
from the All Tabs drop down menu, which of course restores the top level
menu also.

It should also me noted that secondary toolbars can still be used with
the Tabbed (notebook bar), this is controlled both by context (some
functions turn on secondary tool bars) or by the user from an item on the
All Tabs drop down menu.

Best wishes,

Drew


Regards

Nige
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From: Mike Saunders <mike.saunders@documentfoundation.org<mailto:
mike.saunders@documentfoundation.org>>
Sent: 23 November 2018 08:46
To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org<mailto:
marketing@global.libreoffice.org>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of
LibreOffice'.

Hello,

On 23/11/2018 09:09, kainz.a wrote:


I would recommend to focus on some toppics and don't mix everything in

one

Poster.


Yep, I agree! Drew, it's a great idea and thanks for working on it, but
I think we need to focus on one thing at a time with the messaging.
Otherwise people may get the idea that LibreOffice is too complicated,
can't decide on a cohesive interface etc.

The NotebookBar is going to be a big deal for LO 6.2, so we need to
focus on one or two variants of it and say:

* What it is (a new, OPTIONAL user interface design -- we're not
changing everything! Otherwise we'll get a huge amount of angry comments
on social media ;-) )

* Why it's great (work with items in context, faster workflow etc.)

* How to try it -- and super important, how to go back!

IMO we need to simultaneously communicate that LibreOffice 6.2 has the
same reliable, trusted, familiar user interface as previous releases,
but is also modern, forward-looking and adaptable. This isn't easy, but
if we do it right and not overload people with lots of information and
screenshots, I think we can make it work...

Mike

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. (continued)
- Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · K-J LibreOffice
  - Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · kainz.a
    - Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Mike Saunders
      - Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Drew Jensen
        
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · kainz.a
        
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Drew Jensen
      - Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Nigel Verity
        
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Drew Jensen
        
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Nigel Verity
        
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · kainz.a
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Drew Jensen
        Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of LibreOffice'. · Drew Jensen

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