[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental.
The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both
the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful
and nice feature to have.

I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental.

Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho <
mota.prego@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Just as a side note. I've been using the Tabbedbar in 6.1 Fresh release
> daily in my work on Windows 10.
> None of those open issues are something that affect the functionality of
> the Tabbed bar in daily use.
>
> - The chart editing toolbar issue is expecially annoying but it is also
> something that happens with the Standard Toolbars, since performing chart
> editing also replace the Standard Toolbar by the Cart Editing toolbar. If
> anything the Tabbedbar is *superior* in that regard because it remains
> visible when the chart editing toolbar is present.
>
> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor
> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are
> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar
> that warrant more attention.
>
> So please lets move the Notebookbar out of experimental. The Groupedbars
> and Tabbedbars are in great shape.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:43 PM Pedro Rosmaninho <mota.prego@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Please, this would be amazing.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a <kainz.a@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under
> development
> > > since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this
> > > experimental feature.
> > >
> > > I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
> > > - bad keyboard navigation
> > > you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
> > > Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
> > > svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar
> is
> > > hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add
> the
> > > different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
> > > I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.
> > >
> > > - chart didn't support NB
> > > the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar
> and
> > > the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do)
> > > and
> > > use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in
> this
> > > change cause chart if different from other modules.
> > >
> > > - OS-X glitches
> > > on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say
> to
> > > much.
> > >
> > > The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff.
> > > We
> > > talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real
> > > progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some
> > > implementations
> > > (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user
> > > feedback and maybe some new developers.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Andreas_K
> > >
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