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The key would be to ask yourself which version would you give your local government office, or largest business in your community, to use. Would you give them 3.5.6 or the brand new 3.6.2 version?

Even our own Release Plan page tells us that ".2 or .3 Early adopters" on the graph.

Sure, there are many improvements in the latest 3.6.x line, but would you stake the "company's" rep. on it? Which current version has the least issues to deal with? Which version has had the most work done to fix the bugs and other issues? Which version is for "critical applications"? Those are the things that must be answered.

Next week 3.5.7 comes out, which is the last of that line. 3.6.3 comes out the first week of November and 3.6.4 come out the first week of December.

I think the real problem is how we may assume that people will always want to try 3.6.x line while it still is in an "early adopter" stage. The download page seems to assume that. Many of us would lake to see that change.

As for Press Releases announcing the newest version of the 3.6.x line, it is a good thing. The only thing we should state somewhere is that there is another line for the "critical application user" if they do not want to use the "more cutting edge" line.

We have two lines and should be proud of that concept. If not, then we should drop the two line development cycle.

I run 3.5.6 and will be moving to 3.5.7, BUT I am waiting till 3.6.4 or 3.6.5 before I make the move over to the 3.6.x line for my default desktop. I may try it on one of my laptops, but not the desktop[s].

Was that not the reason for the two lines? You run the previous line till the newest one gets to the point where it is ready for "all users" and their "critical applications"? That is one reason why I still run the previous line till the newest one gets to the ".4" or ".5" version. That is the way the development cycle was set up.

On 10/04/2012 08:54 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Public announcements are obviously marketing. Someone repeatedly
complaining that software comes with bugs on the marketing list is not
related to marketing.

Le 4 oct. 2012 14:48, "Tom Davies" <> a écrit :

Hi :)
Ahh, sorry.  I didn't realise that public announcements and press releases
have nothing to do with marketing.
Apols and regards from
Tom :)

From: Charles-H. Schulz <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012, 13:30
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Stable? Seriously?? Fw:
[tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.6.2

The points you are making are repeated at each release. I cannot really
help if you refuse to understand how we work or how software development
works. But as we are on the marketing list we need to work on marketing
not lose our time with recurring rants that are not related to marketing.

We must discipline ourselves if we are on this list and post on it: we
on marketing and stay focused on it.

Thank you for your understanding.


Le 4 oct. 2012 14:01, "Tom Davies" <> a écrit :

Hi :)
Again.  The only advantage listed for the new release in the newest
of LO is that it's "more stable".  What is it more stable than?  Is it
stable than the 3.5.6?

Putting anything mentioning bug-fixes and possible regressions just
people wonder what new bugs and new regressions are likely to appear in
this new release.  Most profitable software companies avoid mentioning
possibility that their new software might be buggy and have new
despite the fact we know that both are likely.  I think we should avoid
mentioning it too until they become more open and honest about the

Possibly marginally better to say "latest" rather than "last" unless you
include a date.  "Last" sounds fairly finally and hints that it
happened a
long time ago.  I don't know why.  Both really mean roughly the same
if you look them up in a dictionary.

Again there are tons of advantages to the newest branch but stability is
not one of them.  If people want stability then they are better off
the latest release in the older branch.  If they want, for example,
compatibility with "other" formats and programs (ie such as MS's) then
3.6.x is probably best.

Please.  Can we have those circular or just plain wrong arguments again
1.  "I haven't noticed any bugs so far and few people have reported
bugs".  Therefore no bugs really exist because things don't exist until
after they have been discovered.  For example, the water on Mars didn't
exist until there were photos of it.

2.  "Any bugs found need to be reported against the earliest version of
LO/OOo they can be found in."

3.  Rinse and repeat.

1.  "It must be more stable.  It's newer."  Therefore it must be more

2.  "We must expect new branches  to have more bugs as a result of
much greater functionality"
3.  "Older branches focus on bug-fixes and therefore tend to have less
added functionality"

4.  Therefore "the only thing we can say about new branches is that they
are more stable."

1.  "All software has bugs."  [Perhaps implying that LO is no more
than java]

Regards from
Tom :)

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Italo Vignoli <>
Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2012, 12:05
Subject: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice
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