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That sounds great. If only we could get a co-branded version that ships
with LO.
On Jul 15, 2012 10:14 AM, "Charles-H. Schulz" <
charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:

Hello Dave,

It's one thing to advocate, and another thing to find a sustainable stream
of developers who can develop TB or any other email client.
Anyway, this being said, it seems that the Mozilla Foundation is explaining
a different story about TB . Check this :

http://blog.mozilla.org/beyond-the-code/2012/07/09/about-the-future-of-thunderbird/

What this means is that TB is not going away. The community can contribute
to it, and I think that's what supposed to happen. I'm also convinced
there's some real business opportunity around it, so I'm not all too
worried about it.

Best,

Charles.


2012/7/15 Dave Johnson <davefilms.us@gmail.com>

I agree... TB is a need for LO. Not a want. To effectively compete in the
market we (LO / TDF) must have an  integrated PIM. I have been advocating
this in the past.
On Jul 15, 2012 6:20 AM, "Gerry T." <gerry.treppel@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Dear Charles,

thank you very much for your reply.

 [...] I am not sure I agree with your thesis. I would point out that
in
most
organization it's the email / groupware server (Exchange/Lotus) that's
the primary barrier, not the mail client.
If I'm not mistaken Thunderbird or Mozilla do not distribute such
groupware server.

Thundbird/Lightning as client programmes is in this regard similar
situation like LibreOffice, Yes, Mozilla does not provide a groupware
server, but - with some quirks - TB can communicate with those (e.g.
Exchange).
I think, you are right for big organisations or companies, but for the
small and medium size organisations/companies the email/PIM client is
central (e.g. our institute (university) with roughly 100 staff is
based
on
IMAP-Server, shared calendar, shared adress book, shared storage). For
this
big target group of organisations/companies, there is basically the
decision between MS Outlook and Thunderbird/Lightning. And if Outlook
is
chosen, the Office suite is MS Office.

[...] But to come back to your suggestion, I think that while the
development
or distribution of a mail client alongside LibreOffice might be worth
thinking about *if the appropriate resources* are available, the
notion
that the Document Foundation would "take over" the development of
Thunderbird is impractical, and will not become real in any way.

What I am proposing is not to take over the development in any way, my
suggestion is more in the way of signalling to Mozilla.org that
TB/Lightning are also very important projects for the future success of
LibreOffice. And maybe in the direction of promoting the other
project/product to be the best complement to the own software
(LibreOffice
+ TB/Lightning = full office suite).
There are, of course, also interesting features, where the teams could
cooperate, e.g. the ability to view ODF files directly in Thunderbird.
Or
to edit ODF files with LibreOffice from within TB without the hazzle of
saving_from_email -> editing_in_LO -> saving_in_LO _>
attach_again_to_email.

Best regards,
Gerry

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