Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes

(2011/06/01 1:58), Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2011-05-31 11:06, Takashi Nakamoto a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> >
> > (2011/05/30 6:28), Cor Nouws wrote:
> > > Hi Marc, all,
> > >
> > > [ ooops what a terrible cross post, four lists ;-)
> > > I skipp the project and website list for the moment
> > > and IMO follow ups for my subject (see below)
> > > should be at marketing preferably
> > > devs with an relevant opinion can either join or
> > > hire a gohst writer ;-)
> > > ]
> > >
> > > Marc Paré wrote (27-05-11 16:57)
> > >
> > > > It's time that we get on with creating the page on the main site. So
> > > > unless anyone is going to offer to create/design the page, I'll take
> > > > care of it. I have not had a lot of practice at Silverstripe, so you
> > > > will have to be patient with me.
> > > >
> > > > We have worked on the screenshot protocols which have now been put on
> > > > the website wiki pages[1] (thanks to Klaus! and all other for their
> > > > comments). BTW ... .png's will be the format to use. We will have to
> > > > point this out to the translation teams for when they take their
> > > > screenshots.
> > > >
> > > > * I will follow the same format as on the "New Features and Fixes" web
> > > > pages[2]. If I understand it correctly, we are to have a 3.4 webpage
> > > > and
> > > > a 3.3.2 webpage (essentially what we have now on the "New Features and
> > > > Fixes webpage). These pages will be used by website visitors to compare
> > > > the features between both versions of LibreOffice. We are not comparing
> > > > to MSO nor OOo. So, IMO, both pages should have the same page format so
> > > > that our visitors feel comfortable moving from one page to the other.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments before I jump in? Any comments?
> > >
> > >
> > > What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show
> > > - the release rationale:
> > > point zero release is only for ..., and not for ...
> > > - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases
> > > the knows nasty bugs
> > > On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to
> > > change that.
> >
> > I totally agree with this idea. We should address known bugs in the
> > release note or in an alternative page.
> >
> > Some of the bugs depend on the bug #35673 are still open, so I assume
> > these are the nasty bugs we should address in the appropriate page.
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35673
> >
> > One contributor from Japanese community, Shinji Enoki, has been
> > collecting known bugs information, especially for providing know bug
> > information to Japanese users.
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Enoki/Doc/Release/Bugs/3.4
> >
> > I guess this page is prepared for translation, so you may see some
> > Japanese there, but you can still easily pick up known bugs from this
> > page. I hope it helps.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Takashi Nakamoto
>
> There must be a better way to do this. Perhaps this is where the ESC
> committee could step in and create a process whereby, at release time,
> these may be noted on the webpage for users to read.
>
> I am not sure if listing all known bugs on a user page is the right way
> to go. How will you keep it updated? You would have to have a person
> devoted to tracking all of the bug resolutions for the page.
>
> On the other hand, if there is a bugzilla page listing all the
> outstanding bugs, then we could point users to that page. It would
> simplify the work for all of us.

I agree with you. There must be better way to do this. Yes, linking to a 
bugzilla page might be the best if we take into account maintenance cost.

However, a mere link to bugzilla may not help users who don't understand 
English. For that, Mr. Enoki prepares a list of known bugs in our native 
language. I think that's why he prepared that list.

Yet we don't have to update the known bug lists. It's not that users 
want to keep track of how those bugs are treated. They may just want to 
see what bugs are in the latest released version. For that, putting 
Bugzilla id on the list, and encouraging users to see Bugzilla for 
further information is sufficient.

I encouraged Mr. Enoki to move that page to a different page from the 
user page anyway. So, I hope he will do it soon.

Best regards,
 Takashi Nakamoto

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