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Hi Thorsten, :-)

I have understood that you don't favor the idea of a competition. I
did read your blog posts on the subject [1] [2].

There *are* people who disagree with you:

"In open source we have traditionally ran such contests, so in reality
Thorsten is putting forward the controversial idea.. ;-)" [3]

You do seem to be a little dogmatic on the subject:

"We need to shout it loud and clear that spec work should not be
affiliated, is not related to, and will not be tolerated with the Open
Source / Free Software movement." [2]

But please stop "shouting" about it here, because people do have a
right to discuss ideas even if you don't agree with what they're
saying. Also, please don't introduce an emotive, personal element into
what is purely an intellectual debate. (In any case, this thread does
not commit TDF to any course of action.) If you don't want to read it,
feel free to hit the delete button. ;-)

Actually, IMHO, your own blog post points-up one very good reason for
at least giving consideration to *some* form of contest:

"If you just let things happen in a collaborative project with
design/artwork needs, you will likely see a few people creating
proposals that mostly cover the same ground. They all will base there
work on their own assumptions regarding various aspects of the
project." [1]

I thoroughly agree with one of the statements you made:

"A collaborative project should have a documented mission
statement/vision/set of goals." [1]

So, any process with some kind of competitive/comparative aspect to it
would need to be carefully designed and planned beforehand. There's
nothing wrong with creating a wiki page on the subject, to develop
further thinking about it.

But I do hope you read my previous posts as carefully as I read yours.
In which case you will understand *why* I posted in response to
Florian's invitation to go ahead and create a wiki page, and you will
*remember* that I actually suggested that it should be someone else
that makes the first move.

To quote a line from the movie K-PAX, "To quote a line from Navarro,
my dear Doctor, you need to chill." ;-)

IMHO, your preceding couple of posts are OT. Please allow people a
little freedom of speech and of thought? Can we just leave this thread
open to people who might like to explore the original topic further?
It's a pity you're so "anti" the idea, because your expertise would
have been valuable in arriving at something well thought-out and
organized. :-(

To anyone who might reply that, "Anyway, there is definitely not going
to be any kind of competition," I'd reply that a) it's a pity to make
definitive declarations about something before having examined a
mature and fully-formed proposal, and that b) it seems a little out of
place to make such authoritative statements as yet when so much about
the LibO project is still unclear and ambiguous.

I don't intend to reply to anything further that bears any kind of
resemblance to trolling, flaming, discourtesy or unfriendliness (it
might be relevant to read what the draft TDF statutes have to say
about such forms of behavior). I will be perfectly willing to take
part in discussion that is measured and courteous in its tone and
content. :-)

I hope you can understand my POV... :-)

Can we please reset, and resume the original subject?


David Nelson

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