Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Free Bibliographic Software

Le 2010-10-17 07:13, Marc Paré a écrit :
> Le 2010-10-16 18:26, j.martin.pedersen a écrit :
>
> Hi Martin
>
> Welcome to the marketing list and many thanks for your input. The
> purpose of the marketing list is to discuss the various approaches to
> marketing the "LibreOffice" brand. Your input is exaclty the type of
> input that I am particularly interested in hearing and documenting. LibO
> needs to take stock of missing functionalities that would make it a more
> viable tool in the academic arenas.
>
> I have often heard from people of the power of LibO (OpenOffice)
> however, the lacking tools for academia have made it such that many (in
> academia) who have tried it have had to abandon LibO for lack of tools
> in particular areas.
>
> So, I hope to make a list of these tools that are necessary to market
> LibO as a possible tool for our academic colleagues and hope that a dev
> (or many devs) will show interest in expanding these tools through
> whatever means possible either by plugin (obviously the preferred
> choice) or LibO coded addition (permanently coded into LibO -- not
> likely to happen)
>
> So, onto your list:
>
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I have just subscribed because of a thread on the discuss list about
> > bibliographic software for LO, because I am interested in academic use
> > of Free Software, which for most people require being able to handle
> > existing bibliographic databases. (Currently I am on the fringe of
> > academia, doing bits of precarious research, funding application writing
> > and teaching, having finished a PhD in February titled "Property,
> > Commoning and the Politics of Free Software".)
> >
> >
> > There is a wealth of options, somehow. http://www.zotero.org/ is very
> > interesting. Moving to the browser level makes a lot of sense for
> > researchers - that's where you need it most of the time (auto-adding
> > PDFs, URIs etc.) and if connected to ISBN databases it can make life a
> > lot easier.
>
> I will be looking for comment on those using Zotero to see if this is a
> viable and functional plugin. I have tried Zotero, found it quite
> complete, however, not being involved in any academic research could not
> evaluate it in a "real time" situation. A friend of mine in Music
> Therapy research took a look at it and found it too complex to adopt.
> She reverted back to MSOffice on her MacBook. This is the only feedback
> I got from her as she said that she did not have enough time to research
> the plugin due to the time frame of her 1.5 project deadline.
>
> We will need more feedback from people using Zotero. I found it to be
> quite promising.
>
>
> > But Bibus: http://bibus-biblio.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> > - last update in 2009!?!?
> >
> > and: http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/ - Last updated in 2008!?!
> >
> > "List address announce@bibliographic.openoffice.org
> > List description A moderated mailing list for announce messages
> > Total messages 2"
> >
> > This does not inspire confidence :)
>
> I will try to get back on the marketing list about these and
> development. I will try to contact them about their project's status at
> the moment. My feeling are that if they have not been worked on for such
> a long period of time, then they have most likely been abandoned and the
> project have been left open for some other groups adoption. I am sure
> someone will comment if they are aware of these projects.
>
> > My questions are:
> >
> > What happened to the OOo Bibliography project?
> >
> > And what are the many competing visions for a bibliographical system
> > that exist across platforms?
> >
> > Finally, how can the Free Software world create a bibliographic system
> > that integrates all the best of existing systems in a cross-platform GUI
> > that is compatible with the dominant systems (Endnote etc.) and which
> > integrates with OOo, LO, and even that M$ Office thing and of course
> > Firefox or Zotero?
>
> I believe our concern here is with LibO integration only. But this is
> open for comments.
>
> > There should be a basis for a project with social and computing science
> > departments. The time is right for institutions to explore cuts in their
> > licensing costs. Always look on the bright side...
> >
> > -martin
>
> Agreed.
>
> > PS: https://www.mendeley.com was suggested on that threat and that is a
> > very interesting looking project, but it is not free, only as in beer.
>
> Thanks. I visited the site and, indeed, they do look promising and seem
> quite active. We will need some feedback on people using their product
> with LibO. It may integrate well with OpenOffice, but we will have to
> gauge if LibO integration is done smoothly.
>
> We may have to start a Wiki page on LibO Education Academia to track
> these options.
>
> Maybe a comment from Drew or Florian?
>
> Marc

I will start a new discussion thread called "LibO in Academia" which is 
more descriptive for this discussion. Could everyone answer on that 
discussion thread?

Thanks

Marc


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