Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Cosmetic changes?

Hi :)
Err, mostly i am saying that people who are grumbling could take control a
bit.  Even just knowing that something is going to happen is often a big
help.

"Just lurking" doesn't usually mean tons of work = it might on the devs
list as it sounds like it might be high traffic.  However, joining a low
traffic one, such as Accessibility (has maybe 2 posts/month on average!)
might help free other people (such as Stuart and Sophie) a bit so that they
don't worry about that list so much.


That doesn't negate the need for the other things that have been discussed
but it might help preempt and get more control of this sort of thing for
the future.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 16 December 2014 at 09:52, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi :)
> Yes, i have noticed you are on MANY lists and extremely active in just
> about all the ones i see you on, whereas i tend to be just a lurker on most
> that i am on.  Stuart likewise is extremely active and very busy on quite a
> few teams.
>
> However i think it is difficult to process so many mailing lists.  If a
> few other people could help with just 1 or 2 more mailing lists than they
> are currently on then it might be easier for them to "free up" some of your
> time.
>
> Relying on a single person places a lot of stress on that one person and
> if they ever leave it's a nightmare trying to catch up or figure out what
> needs to be done.
>
>
> The systems that don't appear to be working are whatever systems we have
> for communicating between teams.  This thread is not the first time there
> has been this problem.
>
>
> However i don't think it's bad to have what is already "in place", just
> that we could clearly do with a bit more direct liaison.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 16 December 2014 at 09:37, Sophie <gautier.sophie@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> > Le 16/12/2014 10:09, Tom Davies a écrit :
> > > Hi :)
> > > It might help to have a few people on both mailing lists (or whatever
> > the
> > > devs use to communicate between each other).
> >
> > That's what I'm supposed to do, but I think you've noticed it :)
> > > That way maybe one of those people might notice when one of the mailing
> > > lists starts talking about doing something that might have an impact on
> > one
> > > of the other mailing lists they are on.
> >
> > yes, and I'm constantly discussing the string changes with the UX team
> > (mostly Jay and on IRC). Because of the openness of our project, anybody
> > can suggest a change without being aware of the impact it can have for
> > other team or sometime even for the product. Cor is monitoring a lot on
> > Bugzilla about those changes and he is dedicating a lot of his time.
> > > On the Accessibility Mailing List a few days ago there was mention that
> > one
> > > of the recent breakages could be fixed by adding a tiny bit of text into
> > > the menu items.  I warned them that;
> > > 1.  it would impact on the translators who were struggling with a
> > similar
> > > issue right now.
> > > 2.  if they could get their changes in within a couple of days then it
> > > might neatly fit into the work the translators are doing right now and
> > thus
> > > avoid duplication
> > > 3.  that if they couldn't get their UI changes in right now then it
> > would
> > > be better to wait a few months, or longer, in the hope that the
> > translators
> > > might get some automation to handle it.
> > >
> > > The result seems to be that they have given up on getting that
> > improvement
> > > through :(  NOT the result i'd intended because i think Accessibility is
> > > also crucial and it gets far less support than translators or
> > > documentation.
> >
> > The trick is to add the shortcuts to the menu label in order for them to
> > be read by screen readers. Whether it will be done or not will depend on
> > who will open the issue and implement it. Stuart is part of the Design
> > team, so he is aware of the l10n team request about massive changes, but
> > I will monitor it.
> > > Imo it would have been great if the current set of changes had been
> > > coordinated with stuff that the other teams need.  There is already a
> > > system to try to coordinate between teams but it doesn't seem to be
> > > working.
> >
> > What system are you talking about?
> > > I think if it was backed-up by having a few people liaising between a
> > > couple of mailing lists, and a couple other people liaising between a
> > > couple of other mailing lists then it might be easier to coordinate
> > between
> > > the teams.
> >
> > The only way to coordinate is to do cross communication between the teams
> > :)
> > Cheers
> > Sophie
> >
> >
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