[libreoffice-l10n] Re: l10n process, en_US version, Help files

Hello Sophie, *,
On Mittwoch, 11. Dezember 2013 17:19 Sophie wrote:
<snip>
> I would like to open a discussion on the l10n workflow, the
> quality of the en_US version and the Help files. All is linked and
> I would like to discuss how we can improve the process here. I'm
> sure that having a better understanding between the l10n process
> and the dev process should help us to improve things :) So here is
> a proposal, it's a bit long, sorry for that.

would this discussion not more suitable after the 4.2 release ;?

> *Before updating Pootle:
> - it's important for l10n team to know the approx load of work
> that will be needed to achieve the whole work. Time between beta1
> and rc1 is short and that will help to better organize this time
> between translation and proof reading.

+1

<snip>
> - it's exhausting when you think you are over and to see a new
> bunch of words coming. Knowing it in advance help to manage the
> time too

+1

<snip>
> *About the en_US overall quality
> - the process to rely on the l10n team to fix the en_US version is
> ok, even if it gives us extra work to understand what is meant
> before we realized it's a mistake. So it's also error prone for
> all the translations. - but that doesn't solve the several typos
> that already exist and that are overlooked by the l10n team (e.g
> in the Character > Font Effect dialog, there is Overline _c_olor
> and Underline _C_olor and this is the same for several dialogs)

Do not forget the double/triple/howmuchelse used mnemonics in the UI 
... ;)

> - that doesn't solve also the lack of universal vocabulary used in
> several dialogs (e.g Tab/Pane/Panel/Deck to name the same object
> or Graphic/Picture/Image). I've nothing to propose here but to
> define a glossary where developers could pick the good word but
> I'm not sure it will be used

Yes, that would be really nice (especially, if we as translators 
would get it as well ... ;) ). It is really time consuming, what is 
meant with word $X and then finding out, that word $Y was used on 
other places ... :(

> * About the help files
> - I always wonder why there is a Help button on a new dialog when
> no help file is appended ;)

And me is wondering, why there is not only a help button but also a 
help menu (as I am still a victim of 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72022, I am not sure, 
if there should be any difference between the two ... :( ). Both 
opens konqueror on my system, although I have installed the OLH ... 
:(

> - more and more functions are undocumented or their help is
> obsolete. I always think that an undocumented function is lost for
> the user and a sad thing for a developer because his function will
> not be used as expected. May be, but I don't know how heavy it
> would be for developers, the solution would be to open an issue
> with a special tag like NF for each new feature, with three lines
> about what the feature is supposed to do. Searching on BZ with
> this special tag would allow to involve more people in the loop to
> test it and document it.

Yes, please :) I also would like to see a short description for new 
function, that shortly explains it (and maybe a short example for it 
documented there as well) ... ;)
Thanks for your mail
Thomas.

-- 
God is dead and I don't feel all too well either....
                -- Ralph Moonen


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