Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Problems with libreoffice.ee

Hi Mihkel, all,
Le 03/10/2013 12:11, Mihkel Tõnnov a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> 2013/10/3 Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild <repentinus@fsfe.org>
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I am a member of the Free Software Foundation Europe, and I am writing
> > this e-mail because I wanted to ask an Estonian governmental institution
> > to recommend LibreOffice to their visitors instead of an outdated
> > version of OpenOffice. I would happily point them to the Estonian
> > version of the LibreOffice site, which appears to be
> > <et.libreoffice.org>, which redirects to <libreoffice.ee>.
>
> I am the Estonian translator of LibreOffice and (at least in theory)
> manager of et.libreoffice.org. The redirect was my decision, because I
> don't have time to maintain et.libreoffice.org myself and no volunteers
> have stepped in to do it either. So I saw redirecting it to
> libreoffice.ee(which at least gets updated) as a reasonable solution
> until I or someone
> else would have time to maintain et.libreoffice.org.
>
> However, the content on that site has raised some concerns in me: The
> > site advertises LibreOffice mainly as "gratis" (tasuta) instead of
> > "free" (vaba) as in free speech; the site claims that either the site's
> > or the software's copyright belongs to the Free Software Foundation
> > ("Autoriõigus © 2007, Free Software Foundation, Inc." in the footer),
> > which I seriously doubt; and the site also includes Facebook social
> > plug-in, which raises non-free JavaScript and privacy issues.
>
> I am aware of this (except for the FB plugin issues, which I hadn't thought
> about until now), thanks to Marc Paré, who wrote to me about it on June 19,
> 2012. I sent a message to the site maintainers after that, asking them to
> fix these issues, but I never got a reply and they haven't corrected their
> mistakes either.
>
> I am fairly sure that The Document Foundation does not wish to advertise
> > LibreOffice as "gratis" instead of "free", and it seems to me that many
> > of the er… more unique aspects of <libreoffice.ee> are likely not
> > condoned by The Document Foundation.
>
> I agree.
>
>  I am afraid that in its current state I cannot recommend the Estonian
> > site in good conscience, and unfortunately there seems to be no
> > Estonian download page listing more than one platform and version of
> > the software on <libreoffice.org>, and thus a speedy resolution of the
> > aforementioned issues would be very welcome.
>
> There is et.libreoffice.org/allalaadimine, but the text there is seriously
> outdated by now.
>
> Given the (long-lasting) problems with libreoffice.ee, I propose that I end
> the redirect, so that it will no longer appear as if TDF approves of the
> content of libreoffice.ee; and instead make et.libreoffice.org a very
> low-content site where pretty much only the download page is visible and
> semi-regularly updated. However, since libreoffice.ee does have useful info
> in Estonian for users, I would still like to provide a link to it somewhere
> on et.libreoffice.org, although this time with a disclaimer.
>
> Would that resolve a part of the problem here?

On a TDF point of view I think so, even if libreoffice.ee don't use the
official logo and, by that, show that they are not affiliated, I think
the redirect is confusing. So even displaying low-content on the
Estonian official website would be better and may appeal some volunteers
to step in and add content to it.

Kind regards
Sophie

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Sophie Gautier <sophie.gautier@documentfoundation.org>
Tel:+33683901545
Membership & Certification Committee Member - Co-founder
The Document Foundation

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