[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [The Document Foundation – Pootle server] message by Luka Ramishvili

Hello Luka,

2012.09.23 09:33, luka.ramishvili@gmail.com rašė:
> I saw that the georgian version of the site needed translation, so I went to the pootle server and 
> started writing translations. After translating 10-15 strings, I noticed that my changes weren't 
> saved. I stopped translating as my work was fruitless.

first of all, out apologies for this inconvenience. I know how it feels 
to translate same strings more than once and then see your work 
disappear. What you discovered here is probably a bug in Pootle (the 
system we are using).  Bugs happen... Thanks for reporting this one!

> My advice would be to put any type of warnings/notifications to notify the user what's she doing.
> 1. If I needed to log in before starting making changes, I shouldn't have been allowed to write 
> translations that weren't meant to be saved.

I think I see what has happened: you've been filling the fields and 
clicking on the "Next" link, right? Well here's the thing: that link is 
NOT a submit nor a suggest button. It just allows you to skip a string 
and proceed to the next one. Question is why Pootle would display a text 
field which you cannot submit at all... I know we have at least one 
Pootle core developer on the l10n mailing list, perhaps he will have an 
idea why this field is needed there. Although it seems that this issue 
has been mitigated in the next generation of Pootle where the textarea 
is not editable until you log in.

> 2. If the changes are submitted for approval before appearing on the site, that should be mentioned 
> somewhere.

Like I said, apparently, the changes were not submitted at all. However, 
if you had rights to suggest strings only (as opposed to submitting 
them), you would see the "Suggest" button. That would be indicative 
enough, I hope?

> 3. The site let me navigate through the 10-15 translations I did, and there was an empty space on the 
> right side. As I (correctly) guessed, that space on the right were table <td>-s meant for 
> previewing translations (div.translation.translation-view), but they were empty. There wasn't even any 
> indication that that space was reserved for previewing translations (and btw, why were they empty when I 
> had entered translations?).

Sorry, I'm not quite sure what page or div you are talking about here.

> 4. Is utf-8 allowed? I guess yes, but theoretically that can be the cause of the problem, as my 
> language requires UTF-8.

UTF-8 is the encoding used by Pootle, so yes, it is definitely allowed.

> I would provide significant contribution were I able to, maybe translating the site for 10-20%, 
> because I was determined to do so (and had the time needed). I suggest potential contributors like 
> me are vital for the continued development of the project. Don't let their attention slip away by 
> bugs that undermine their willingness to work and lose work submitted by them.

Once again, apologies for that... The tool we use is not perfect, but 
it's open-source too, so hopefully it will become better as time goes. 
In fact, I *know* that the next major version currently being baked is 
already much more pleasant to work with.
Luka, I suggest that you proceed by doing the following:
1. Register with Pootle and send your user name here (to the l10n list) 
so I (or some other Pootle admin) can grant you the rights necessary to 
suggest or submit translations. It seems to me like our Georgian 
localization is currently unmaintained, so you'd probably be granted 
submit rights right away.
2. Try to get in touch with libreoffice.ge@gmail.com, as that email is 
indicated on our wiki 
[https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams] as belonging to our 
current Georgian team lead (I'm cc'ing that person on this message too). 
It would be good to know if he's still interested in localizing LibO.
3. Subscribe to the l10n list (you'll find the subscribe link on our 
Pootle's home page). This is not mandatory, but greatly encouraged and 
is generally useful.

I hope the inconvenience you had with Pootle won't hurt your enthusiasm 
too much. LibreOffice is a community-driven project, so love our 
contributors more than anything. :)
Best regards,
Rimas Kudelis

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