Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019

I will include a message from Jan-Marek, who is unable to use mail 
currently. He wants to point out that tooltips can be accessed via 
accessibility APIs at least on Linux.

Ilmari

Jan-Marek says:

It took me about 15m to write a python at spi program, which will react 
to tooltip events on Linux:

#!/usr/bin/python3

import pyatspi

def f(e):
    if not e.source or e.source.getRole() != pyatspi.ROLE_TOOL_TIP:
        return
    # e.detail1 = 1: show / = 0: hide
    print(e)

pyatspi.Registry.registerEventListener(f, "object:state-changed:visible")
pyatspi.Registry.start()

Just install the python3-pyatspi package of your preferred distro and 
start the little program.

This is obviously just a very minimal POC, but it can be easily extended 
to just filter events from LO.

If I read 
https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2/AtkGuide/MSAA 
correctly, MSAA also has show events for tooltips.

Miguel Teixeira kirjoitti 17.3.2020 klo 18.26:
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De: *Miguel Teixeira* <miguel.teixeira@poli.ufrj.br 
> <mailto:miguel.teixeira@poli.ufrj.br>>
> Date: seg., 16 de mar. de 2020 às 10:59
> Subject: Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019
> To: Olivier Hallot <olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org 
> <mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org>>
> Cc: Ilmari Lauhakangas <ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org 
> <mailto:ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org>>, Daniel Silva 
> <daniel.lipe@poli.ufrj.br <mailto:daniel.lipe@poli.ufrj.br>>, Lidiana 
> Souza dos Anjos <lidianasouza@poli.ufrj.br 
> <mailto:lidianasouza@poli.ufrj.br>>, Fernando Gonçalves Severo 
> <severo@cos.ufrj.br <mailto:severo@cos.ufrj.br>>, Henrique Luiz 
> Cukierman <hcukier@cos.ufrj.br <mailto:hcukier@cos.ufrj.br>>, Pedro 
> Braga <pedrohcbufrj@gmail.com <mailto:pedrohcbufrj@gmail.com>>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> *
> *
>
> I apologize forthe delay in answering.
>
> Current assistive technologies favor better accessibility for the blind 
> people. There is no such thing as a "Braille language" or "Braille 
> culture". A blind person does not need to communicate through a 
> "different language" or adapt to a new language that depends directly on 
> a sense that he does not have and a diferent culture. Before they learn 
> to write, children, in general, learn to speak. For example, a blind 
> person can learn to speak a language just as children learn by listening 
> to other people speak. A deaf person often learns to communicate through 
> a language only after older ages (for example, many deaf people in 
> Brazil only learn LIBRAS after the age of 18). In the case of deaf 
> people, there is a different language and culture. A simple literal 
> translation of textual elements of the interface may not be such an 
> interesting idea (but in some cases it can be useful). Here, there is an 
> issue where, a simple adaptation of something that already exists (like 
> the current accessibility APIs) can serve as a "quick fix", but that 
> does not mean that it is the best option.
>
> *
> *
>
> I attached a PDF file talking a little more about this subject.
>
> *
> *
>
> *
> *
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Miguel.
>
>
> Em sex., 13 de mar. de 2020 às 12:54, Olivier Hallot 
> <olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org <mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org>> 
> escreveu:
>
>     Olá Miguel
>
>     It is fundamental to clarify why the current assistive technologies are
>     unable to address the issue of the deafs. It has been asked in IRC and
>     the response has not been seen. The project will be analyzed by
>     knowledgeable people.
>
>     Ilmari is in copy, please switch to English and keep Ilmarin the loop.
>     Professor Henrique Cukierman should also be in the loop.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Olivier
>
>     Em 12/03/2020 16:27, Miguel Teixeira escreveu:
>      > Olá Olivier,
>      >
>      > Estamos animados com a sua mensagem. Vamos preparar um dossier para
>      > financiamento do LIBRASOffice assim como fizemos para o MIT.
>      > Vamos aproveitar boa parte do que fizemos para o MIT, mas mesmo
>     assim,
>      > não conseguiremos te entregar até o dia de hoje ou amanhã. Dou
>     previsão
>      > para entrega do dossier até a próxima quarta-feira, mas pode ser
>     que já
>      > esteja pronto, por exemplo, no próximo domingo. Existe algum
>     problema em
>      > entregarmos na próxima quarta-feira?
>      >
>      > Cordialmente,
>      > Miguel Teixeira.
>      >
>      >
>      > Em qui., 12 de mar. de 2020 às 07:00, Olivier Hallot
>      > <olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org
>     <mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org>
>     <mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org
>     <mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org>>>
>      > escreveu:
>      >
>      >     Olá Miguel
>      >
>      >     Vocês tem condições de preparar um dossier para financiamento do
>      >     LibrasOffice, assim como fizeram para o MIT? Trocaria  MIT
>     por TDF (The
>      >     Document Foundation).
>      >
>      >     Creio que pode haver um caminho de financiamento a ser
>     explorado, e a
>      >     experiencia do MIT pode ajudar a convencer.
>      >
>      >     Será importante ter um cronograma de entregas, e programa de
>     desembolso,
>      >     tamanho de equipe, bolsas e tudo mais. Vejo um horizonte de
>     seis meses
>      >     de atividades para duas pessoas.
>      >
>      >     OK?
>      >     Olivier
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >     Em 11/03/2020 20:43, Miguel Teixeira escreveu:
>      >     > Olá Olivier,
>      >     >
>      >     > Segue o link do vídeo usado no Solve MIT - 2019
>      >     >
>      >     > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVAWjRV0dTw
>      >     >
>      >     >
>      >     >
>      >
>      >     --
>      >     Olivier Hallot
>      >     LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>      >     Comunidade LibreOffice
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>
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