Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

Hi Michael, Jay, all

Il 09.06.2017 10:59 Michael Meeks ha scritto:
> Hi Jay,
>
> On 09/06/17 00:10, Jay Philips wrote:
> > > + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage
> > > (Michael)
> >
> > If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it
> > provides similar functionality as the portable version found on
> > windows, like
> >
> > 1) not having to install it on your system to run it (aka portable)
>
>         The "just run the console and do chmod +x <downloaded-file-name>" that
> I see on their front-page is (I suspect) rather a bit of a usability
> nightmare ;-) at least initially vs. say an app-store. Some 'technical'
> people I know are impressed by command-line use ;-)
>
> > 2) copying it on a usb and run it on any linux distro (atleast the
> > minimum system that LO supports, something that snap and flatpak cant
> > do)
>
>         Nice.
>
> > 3) easily running multiple versions (would improve linux QA, as it
> > would also lower that barrier for users to test old versions)
>
>         I guess.

I'm using appimage to create the various versions of LibreOffice to use 
for client ticket testing.

> > > + how is flat-pack hosted currently ? (Michael) + build & up-load,
> > > and cloph pushes it (Stephan) + whenever there is a 5.3.x it is
> > > build – following Fresh. + no daily build.
> >
> > If the bash conversion script isnt run locally on the webserver, then
> > Antonio is willing to create the appimages and upload them.
>
>         That seems reasonable. I guess it needs an active maintainer who fixes
> problems with it - that is not Cloph =) is that you and/or Antonio ?

I'm available to help.

> > > + the request is “become a linux distribution” (Michael) +
> > > flat-pack doesn’t include the GNOME run-time (Stephan) + AppImage
> > > sounds like it will include ~everything: Gstreamer + all codecs
> > > etc. - from some random PC (Michael)
> >
> > No the appimage will only include the same files LO bundles in the
> > released .deb and .rpm files found in the .tar.gz. It assumes the
> > users system has the necessary other dependencies on their system.
>
>         This removes my major objection at least; if so - good =)
>
> > > + AppImage works hard to solve a problem we already solved: of
> > > being an ISV on Linux – it is hard but solveable.
> >
> > Appimage tries to solve a major problem on linux, easily running an
> > app on any linux distro, especially new apps on a stable distro.
>
>         I guess its useful to some people =) is there a central app-store /
> location to find appimages ?
>
> > I will try to attend next week but doubt it will work as VOIP
> > services like hangouts and skype dont function correctly where i live
>
>         Is Antonio in a better location for international calls ?

Yes, I'm in Italy.

> > So to move this forward and test the waters, it would be great to
> > setup a page on the website for appimage[13] for the 5.4 beta 2 and
> > link the download links to either an uploaded appimagage on tdf
> > infra[14] or to the one on Antonio's website.
>
>         Sounds reasonable to me to test this out as experimental for the 5.4.x
> release and if it works well for 6.0.

I agree, it seems to me the best way.

>         Any further thoughts Cloph ?
>
>         Thanks Jay & Antonio !
>
>                 Michael.

Regards,
Antonio