minutes of ESC call ...

* Present
        + Norbert, Thorsten, Stephan, David, Eike, Michael M, Andras,
          Joel, Ahmad, Kendy, Cedric, Bjoern, Lionel, Christian,
          Caolan, Tsahi, Petr

* Completed Action Items
        + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael)
        + look into clipart issues (Caolan)
        + switch on on-line update for 4.0.3 (Kendy)
        + look into Gnome-VFS / URI mangling / path issues (Michael)
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64311
                [ fix back-ported to -4-0 thanks to Fridrich ]
        + mail the ux-advise list + Caolan with button order feedback (Astron)
        + connect Joel with Andreas to get contact details for ext'n devs (Thorsten)
        + get status of coretext in 4.1 (Tor, Abdulmajid, Khaled)
        + look at crash-on-start on Mac (Stephan / David)

* Pending Action Items
        + look at gradient issues (Michael)
        + double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike)
        + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
                + either in that dialog or a new dialog
                + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr
        + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron)
        + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert)
                + buy gamer boxes, and ship them to people's homes
                        + alternatives too expensive / slow throughput
AI:                     + buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Thorsten, Michael)
                + Mac hardware is up & installed & running 24/7
AI:                     + setup Mac hardware tinderbox slave (Norbert)
        + find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten)
        + kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus)
        + revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1
        + 4.0.4 rc1 - May 27th - ~two weeks out
        + 4.1 - feature-freeze: May 20th
                **** Feature Freeze Monday ****
                + build on Tuesday pre-tagging
                + experience of Alpha1 not so wonderful, but everything should
                  be fixed now.
        + 4.1 MABs:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
AI:             + Can't progress through the database wizard (Caolan)
                        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62937
AI:             + Mac: open/save of odt broken (Caolan)
                        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978
        + 4.1 pending / watch features / issues
                + gallery building (Michael)
AI:                     + disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert)
                + wiki page needs updating with features:
                        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1
                + uno type database re-work (Stephan)
                        + pushed it just now: size much smaller, and
                          callgrind looks sensible.
                        + IDL compiler generates the old format, so the SDK
                          will still generate the old format for extensions
                        + during the build - we generate new format .rdbs
                        + can read old & new formats.
                + query about updating doxygen (Norbert)
                        + still using autodoc internally, but Michael S. has
                          taught doxygen about our IDL format, waiting on a
                          release there.
                + coretext (Tor/Khaled)
                        + selection problems on Mac for now
                        + looks decent, but has selection / font-highlighting
                          problems
                        + overall - big improvement, not obviously broken,
                          fixes a number of Arabic issues.
AI:                     + enable it for 4.1 betas and see how we go (Norbert)

* Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten)
        + Reminder to book travel
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013
        + it's going to be good.

* QA update (Joel)
        + Need_Advice Bugs
                + These bugs seem to absolutely need developer input or
                  some special knowledge/setup to move forward.
                + We will be careful about using this whiteboard status
                  but hope that once it gets the status, it can be triaged
                  quickly by a developer
                + Currently only 2 bugs there, probably will increase as we
                  triage but in general should stay quite low
                        + http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
                + rather more bugs opened than closed
                        +190 -147
                + bug count climbing a bit:
                + should start falling next week - with more time from Joel
        + apparent decline in quality of bug reports
                + cutting edge people upgraded to 4.0 immediately, and they
                  filed good bugs; whereas more and more are 'NEEDINFO' due to
                  lack of necessary information
        + Printer Settings
                + Seems like a few things are broken here, individually probably
                  not major bugs but combined might be needed to escalate fixing it.
                        + fdo#36568 - ignore automatically inserted blank pages, ignored
                        + fdo#61186 - several settings not passed on to printer if set
                                      in Printer Settings
AI:             + printing options meta-bug creation (Joel)
                + great work from Florian wrt. See-Also markup.
        + working on stats for March / April
        + working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel)
        + what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ...
                + http://tinyurl.com/atrr7xr

* Security issues (Michael)
        + Avoiding the circus [!]
                + particularly at hot times: SUSE 4.0 + 4.1 freeze + RHEL6 etc.
        + issues with secure / signed updates on Windows etc.

* UX input (Astron)
        + restoring button ordering until we can fix it globally ?
                + talking about x/y/z button-ordering, not ok/cancel
                  button ordering
                + only one of these - the un-saved changes dialog
                + a much smaller issue than originally thought =>
                  leave in platform-adapted state for now.

* gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy)
        + sum up the stuff on the mailing list; two positions:
                + more mails with comments in,
           or   + want to see less
        + both do-able, with external list, with reply-to to the
          dev list and a digest -> main list.
                + people unhappy with that (Norbert, Thorsten)
                + concern with 1/2 of the thread being on another list (Norbert)
        + concerned wrt. the amount of people merging the patches (Kendy)
                + moving it to a separate list, motivate people
                  even less to merge stuff.
        + counter-productive if sending too much mail to the list (Bjoern)
                + lots of participants 'just filter it away as spam'
                + ask master committers to review other people's patches
        + important learning opportunities from patches + discussion (Norbert)
                + sad to miss that on the list.
                + what should go to what list vs. the main list ?
        + playing with mail feature of gerrit (Thorsten)
                + can create fire-hose to your own liking etc.
                + everyone can do what he/she prefers
                + ideally - some reduced amount to the dev-list: a
                  digest of initial patch submissions
                + if people need more: have wiki instructions to
                  configure how to do more.
        + eager to have a digest for the dev-list (Bjoern)
                + otherwise happy with Thorsten's proposal.
                + on launchpad - becoming a member of the libo pkg team
                        + gets all Launchpad mail wrt. LibreOffice
                        + they immediately complain.
        + digests are read-only, don't foster communication & discussion (Norbert)
                + hard to discuss things that way
        + problem with initial fire-hose of comments (Michael)
                + some of these (no-value comments) could have been
                  filtered out (Norbert)

        + Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time)
                + build a daily digest of submitted patches -> dev list
                        + with commit messages, authors, links etc.
                + turn other notifications off
                + better document the gerrit mail / notification settings
                + encourage people who want to see everything to do that.
        + find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy)
                + 598 full mails and 186 digest guys

* GSOC update (Cedric)
        + we have 13 slots as of now
                + 11 excellent ones, and two weaker selected.
        + next week: trying to help spread the mentoring load
        + no notification of students until Google announce that
                + May 22nd - de-duplication
                + May 27th - students will know.

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
        + announce new certifications, but first need to get approval
          from individuals as to whether they want to be.
AI:             + follow up invitations (Cert. team)

* Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael)
        + punt to next time ...

* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 4 (of 17) older 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 18 (of 129) older 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109
             14%             13%    14%     20%    19%    17%    16%    15%    18%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 71 (of 229) older 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216
             31%             32%    33%    33%    34%    33%    34%    36%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 35 (of 100) older 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78
                http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 302(+1) bugs open of 1530(+17) total

        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 97 (+4)
           Spreadsheet - 33 (-1)
          Presentation - 30 (-1)
           Libreoffice - 26 (-2)
              Database - 22 (+0)
               Crashes - 22 (+0)
               Drawing - 19 (+1)
               Borders - 14 (+0)
                 BASIC -  4 (+1)
             Migration -  3 (+0)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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