Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

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2013/2/28 Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@suse.com>:
> * Present
>         + Norbert, David, Joel, Andras, Stephan, Kendy, Eike, Michael S,
>           Astron, Petr, Lionel, Caolan, Thorsten, Michael M, Bjoern
>
> * Completed Action Items
>         + master / unordf bug-fix before pushing writer doc (Michael S)
>         + tweak default assignee / mail alias to include 'un-assigned@' (Joel)
>                 + lovely visible 'Not Assigned's everywhere ...
>         + poke docs team wrt. writing off-line help for impress-remote (Thorsten)
>                 + thanks Sophie !
>         + ping Marc wrt. creating a page with certified consultants in
>           alphabetical order with rates etc. (Joel)
>         + full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
>           https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
>                 + notabug (Michael S)
>         + on-line update tweaks (Kendy)
>                 => upgrade everything to 3.6.5
>                 => upgrade all 3.*.0 -> 4.0.0
>                 + done for two weeks
>         + continue ns timestamp discussion & conclude (Stephan/Lionel/Thorsten)
>                 + best outcome is to break it completely incompatibly
>                 + some knock-on ODF / standardisation impact
>         + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
>                 + timed out on this AI
>
> * Pending Action Items
>         + send out next round of certification invitations (Stephan/Bjoern/Thorsten)
>         + Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern)
>                 + sent to Tollef - who is deadly busy just now.
> **      + Update gsoc ideas page
>           https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas (all)
>                 + everybody should update their their tasks and add new ones
>         + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
>         + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
>                 + [ pending ]
>         + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael)
>
> * Release Engineering update (Petr)
>         + 4.0.1 rc2 status
>                 + builds available, synching to mirrors
>                 + a slew of bugs included; please continue fixing.
>         + 4.0.2 rc1 *next deadline*:
>                 + March 11th
>                 + 1 week + 1/2 from now.
>         + 3.6.6 rc1 commit deadline 3 weeks out: Monday Mar 18
>
> * UX input (Astron)
>         + new icon for impress remote merged and pending 4.0.1 release
>
> * final gnumake removal: status & thanks (Bjoern)
>         + Some fantastic work here, we now build everthing in
>           one gnumake process
>                 + http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/one/
>         + build dependency graphing in a post prj/ world (Stephan)
>                 + need a tool for dependency graphing
>                 + will we get new circular dependencies ?
>                         + no library linking will help and make will fail
>                           on circular deps (Norbert)
>         + what is needed is a tool to parse the output of
>           "make -n -p" - that dumps all the rules (Michael S)
>                 + not as obvious as build lists were (yet)
>                 + the build.lst's were rotting anyway (Stephan)
>         + a lint tool for make -n -p would be nice (Michael S)
> AI:             + write the start of a that tool (Michael)
>                 + then remove the prj/build.lst and d.lst files.
>                 + parse only the linktarget pieces (Bjeorn)
>
> * merging external changes (Michael)
>         + tool in contrib/dev-tools/scripts/annotate.pl
>         + all non-trivial patches require sign-off from relevant
>           developer preferably ESC member and testing
>         + and another sign-off for back-porting to -4-0
>
> * decision / dropping stale xmerge filters (Andras)
>         + drop the minimally functional / not installed ones (Caolan)
>                 + ActiveSync 3.5 (for win95), pocket word,
>                   minicalc, htmlsoff, wordsmith
>                 + written often as mini samples / proof of concept.
>         + decision: drop the unused filters, but retain the xmerge
>           framework itself
>
> * Coverity progress (Markus/Norbert/Caolan)
>         + new build up-loaded, it'd be nice if more people would
>           register / help with the reports:
>           http://scan.coverity.com/user_register.html project: 'LibreOffice'
>                 + then send your account details to Markus / Norbert.
>         + making good progress < 600 'high impact' reports left.
>         + un-caught exception reports more or less useless, always
>           somewhere an exception is not declared.
>
> * Automated crash on import test results (Markus)
>         + still hurt by the toolchain bug on SLES11
>                 + http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15167
> AI:             + chase temporary PTF for the server (Kendy)
>         + not publish until we're confident there are no false-positive
>
> * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
>         + sent out list to ESC of invitations, no objections now,
>           in one week - Cert. Program guys will async. certify
>           them all as approved.
>
> * New features / improving communication (Joel)
>         + How to identify new features quickly so QA can
>           tackle them (can devs put whiteboard status "NewFeature") ?
>                 + Enhancement bugs should be marked 'Resolved FIXED'
>                 + CC Dev's responsible on any bug reports
>                 + encourage 'works for me' comments in such bugs.
>                 + try to avoid impress remote / unity issues next time.
>         + If a master bug is reported vs. a new feature in the first month
>                 + CC the dev responsible for the new feature.
>         + If a feature is specific
>
> * Hard Hacks:
>         + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
>         fdo#61025 - Crash when adding a comment on a cell (Markus)
>         fdo#40594 - FILEOPEN .docx (MSO2010) does not show CHART object (Michael)
>         fdo#59932 - FILEOPEN: Text boxes with bulleted lists containing (Muthu)
>         fdo#37580 - Assign layout malfunction and crash on slide with formula (Thorsten)
> AI:             + can't reproduce in 4.1.x - can we get more details (Joel)
>
> * QA update (Joel)
>         + since 3.6.0 35% of our bugs were filed via the BSA (Joel)
>         + under 150 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage.
>                 http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o
>         + QA will add signatures to triaging comments something like:
>
>                 LibreOffice is powered by a team of volunteers, every
>                 bug is confirmed (triaged) by human beings who mostly
>                 give their time for free. We invite you to join our
>                 triaging by checking out this link:
>                 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage and
>                 join us on freenode at #libreoffice-qa
>
>                 Also, good bug reports help tremendously in making the
>                 process go smoother, please always provide
>                 reproducible steps (even if it seems easy) and attach
>                 any and all relevant
>
>         + QA added a projects page:
>                 + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Projects
>                 + add new pieces of interest for QA there.
>
> * Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
>         + 2 (of 5) older 1/2 3/3
>         + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
>
> * Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
>         + 14 (of 99) older 15/96 16/94 16/91 13/79 17/76 10/69 14/64 13/48 13/41 9/34
>              14%            16%   17%   18%   22%   22%   14%   22%   27%   32%  26%
>         + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
>
> * 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
>         + 75 (of 211) older 76/210 57/189 44/175 45/175 43/174 42/173 36/166 37/164
>              36%             36%    30%    25%    25%    25%    24%     22%   23%
>         + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
>
> * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
>         + 27 (of 72)
>         + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess
> **              http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q - has the latest query for un-fixed bisected bugs
>                 + hopefully will help people find successful bisections faster
> AI:             + export a more helpful link for next minutes (Kendy)
>                 + the bibisect is really excessively useful
>
> * all bugs tagged with 'regression'
>         + 292(-3) bugs open of 1333(+32) total
>
>         * ~Component   count net *
>         + Writer       - 100 (-4)
>         + Presentation -  30 (-3)
>         + Spreadsheet  -  28 (-4)
>         + LibreOffice  -  30 (+5)
>         + Crashes      -  21 (-2)
>         + Database     -  22 (+1)
>         + Drawing      -  17 (+2)
>         + Borders      -  13 (+1)
>         + Migration    -   5 (+0)
>         + Basic        -   2 (+0)
>
>         + 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
>         + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
>
> --
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>
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