minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Lionel, Andras, Kendy, Eike, David, Michael S, Joel, Caolan,
          Fridrich, Kohei, Bjeorn, Ahmad, Petr, Michael M, Astron,
          Norbert, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items
        + look into adding CUPS PDF vs. PS UI setting / config option (Caolan)
                + added a nice global option for this, a 4.0 feature.
        + packaging upgraded python for Mac (Cloph / Michael S)
                + Tor has built it, packaging issues pending
        + work with Ahmad to get RTL code pointers (Thorsten)
        + build RHEL5 VM for new 4.0 linux baseline (Caolan)

* Pending Action Items
        + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
        + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
        + work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
                + after feature freeze ...
        + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
                + turn them back into extensions and disable by default ? (Caolan)
                + requires bundling scripting .jar (Michael S)
        + check stlport situation with DudenCorrector (Thorsten)
                + called twice, left voice messages -> Thorsten
        + add completed technical 4.0 changes to features wiki page (Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 4.0 timeline: Monday: feature-freeze ...
                + branch/tag planned for Tuesday
                + please check tinderboxen and fix problems of late commits:
                  http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html
                + please let Petr know if you're late
                + no code review required for bug fixes in Beta phase.
        + 3.6.4 rc3 update
                + renamed rc3 due to minor tagging bug
                + already synched to staging, to mirrors tomorrow.
        + passing generic / Linux builds onto RedHat (Caolan)
                + built RHEL5 VM for new 4.0 linux baseline
                + building nicely for a single language
                + currently use (vanilla): binutils 2.18, gcc-4.2.4 (Fridrich)
                + working on a 64bit VM too (Caolan)
AI:             + get binary signing key to Caolan (Fridrich/Thorsten)

* Munich hack-fest retrospective (Thorsten)
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Munich2012
        + thanks to all attendees
                + three entirely new contributors over the weekend
                + lots of existing guys hacking good things
                  details of some achievements in the wiki

* UX input (Astron)
        + discussions ongoing with Cedric around Templates dialog
        + do we do button re-ordering automatically yet ?
                + no - need a button-box impl. that re-orders (Caolan)
                + then ~little work needed in .ui files.
                + need to resurrect janneke's work here
                + for now retain the old ordering for consistency
                + in general move vertically stacked ok/cancel/help
                  to bottom/horizontal button-box for dialogs.

* default configure options
        + default to options with no sub-modules (Kendy)
                + disable help, dictionaries by default
                + love it (Bjoern)
                + ideas for checks on server side to roll-back
                  that stuff
                + Norbert wrote a nice wiki page here:
                  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules
        + gnome-vfs turned off by default to help buildability
                + kept for RHEL4 - but RHEL5 perhaps better ? (Fridrich)
                + not enable gio ?
AI:     + tweak these defaults (Kendy)

* close remove un-used methods easy-hack ? (fdo#52622) (Caolan)
        + perhaps they're not easy anymore ?
        + still one or two - perhaps the RTF cut/paste will help.
        + drop easy-hack ? leave it as people in the know.

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)

* 4.0 completed tasks:
        + binfilter - removed completely (Norbert)
                + removes legacy StarOffice 1.0->5.0 binary filters
                + leaves .sxw .sxi etc. zip formats
        + dropped migrationAnalysis (Norbert)
                + obsolete, not-built, code removed now
        + not removing Lotus Word Pro filter
                + no good technical reasons to.
        + should we switch to native gtk+/print for 4.0 ?
                + no: not complete for some features yet (Dtardon)
        + un-publish entire Accessibility API
        + upgrade bundled python to 3.3 (Michael S)
        + Mac / 10.4 / PPC dropping (Norbert)
                + document: deprecate 10.4/5 and raise base-line to 10.6 ?
                + just needs adding to the wiki.

* 4.0 pending tasks
        + binfilter:
                + warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
        + drop legacy / STLport in 4.0 outright ? (Stephan)
                + decide: if ok with them -> drop stlport for 4.0
        + drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
                + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
                + lots of cleanup in configure
        + un-publishing selected IDL interfaces (Moggi)
                + if we know some interfaces may change soon, or are
                  badly designed should un-publish them soon.
                + Kohei wants to un-publish the pivot API.
        + remove Accessibility API use / sample from odk.
        + MSI file re-name to be renamed for 4.0 LibreOffice
                + also rename the Linux download tar-balls (Fridrich)
                + and Mac packages.
                + causes some pain for download scripts (Thorsten)
                + getting installer up on download list, other
                  shuffling is painful
                + LibO not a great truncation - branding-wise.
AI:             + persuade Thorsten of final resting place goodness (Kendy)
        + update base-line compiler for release builds to 2010 or 2012 ...
                + 2012 can't build on WinXP anymore
                + updating to 2010 is a reasonable choice; Java support
                  means we have to ship the runtime - so saves on our
                  run-time / download size.
                + Java 6 - linked vs. 2008 run-time ? (mst)
                        + query from Fridrich
AI:             + decision upgrade baseline to VS 2010 - as per tinderboxes (Fridrich)
                + should we continue supporting VS 2008 ? (Tor)
                + not drop it yet - Express builders use it (Fridrich)
        + privatize store/ API - hide that wherever possible (?)
                + no headers installed anyway (Stephan)
        + librelogo - include but not as an extension (Timar)
                + package it on Linux separately in scp2 (Bjoern)
                + transition done, to an internal package (Timar)
                + training materials / school bits ... blogging ?
        + reservations around PDF import de-extension-ising (Bjoern)
                + now easy to make into an optional deb/rpm (Stephan)
        + print dialog (Bjoern)
                + Till wrote a 2x page bug-description in Ubuntu bugzilla
                  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735404
                + either all clients need to retro-fit discovery to native
                  dialogs to use Bonjour, or ... fork CUPS or ... complete
                  the gtk+ print dialog migration so it uses that.
                        + otherwise no network printers.
                + we use the native Mac print dialog for CUPS there ...
                + pending next release ... (4.1) ?
        + user migration path thought / testing (Petr)
                + should work, but can't test with dev-builds
                + have a magic place for inner-circle QA guys ?
                        + also introduce a test build with release configuration ?
                + confusion around wording ? (Stephan)
                        + have a libreoffice3 user-profile and migrate
                          to a lodev4 profile.
                        + that should be done anyway ?
                        + some naming mismatch (Petr)
                + can we not make more people do migrations (Michael)
                        + migration works from normal -> devel build
                                + but not perfectly.
                        + not reporting bugs, but can be installed in parallel
                + could we allow 4.0 to be installed in parallel with 3.x ? (Petr)
                + inconclusive.
        + com::sun::star::util::struct DateTime should be extended to ns (Lionel)
                + internal timestamp structure - needs more precision
                + problems in corner-cases in 'base'
                + for full ODF support need better precision
                + concerned wrt. the change - used in 30x interfaces (Michael S)
                        + not binary compatible.
                + this case - struct not sufficient (Stephan)
                        + better to change the struct rather than duplicate 30x interfaces
                        + can only be happy to break it.
                + concerned wrt. potential C++ extn's crashing that use this (Michael S)
                        + ideally have an in-proc bridge that handles this compat, ideal
                          default value here.
                        + prefer to have split ns (Lionel)
AI:             + come up with a proposal for next time (Stephan, Michael S, Lionel)

* LibO forum / moderators:
        + request for help ... forums going on-line soon,
        + anyone interested, be good to have some experts moderating
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Forum-planning#Moderators

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
        + developers need to decide what to do next
                + punting for a month ?
        + re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
        
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
        + mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.

* QA update (Joel)
        + beautiful BSA updates - asking users to help with triage
          after updates (thanks Rob Snelders)
                + pre-populating version / component etc. too
        + test-run for localised BSA is coming ...
                + submit will go to the mailing-list instead, for
                  non-English speakers.
        + triage backlog has grown
                + QA team meeting / ideas for fixing that

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
        + 10 (of 34) older 11/31 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
             29%            35%   29%  22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 32 (of 153) older 31/152 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132 27/127 44/139
              21%            20%    22%    23%    24%    24%    23%    21%    32%

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 64 (of 279) older 65/279 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279 78/278 81/279
              23%            23%    23%    25%    25%    27%    28%    28%    29%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 197(+6) bugs open of 936(+19) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 85 (+4)
        + Presentation - 20 (+1)
        + Database     - 19 (+2)
        + Crashes      - 18 (-1)
        + Drawing      - 12 (-1)
        + LibreOffice  - 11 (+0)
        + Spreadsheet  - 11 (+0)
        + Borders      - 9  (+0)
        + Migration    - 5  (+0)
        + Basic        - 2  (-1)
        + Writer / RTF - 2  (-1)

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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