* Completed Action Items + ping Tollef wrt. sysadmin work (Bjoern) + openID analysis suggests you still need to register [!?] + enable automatic help build / sync. on a cron-job (Kendy) + now a chron job * Pending Action Items + create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M) + issues to look into if we can + fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten) + getting to the bottom takes weeks. + fdo#55290 - master doesn't install on windows (dtardon) + potential fix in the bug. + fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten) + fdo#51023 - impress D&D crasher - (Radek) + set updater to get 3.5.0/1 -> 3.6.2 (Kendy) * Submodules (Norbert) + ready to pull the trigger on submodules + Norbert here to vent any anger + concerns wrt. tinderboxen & needing latest tinbuild2 + still only pulls the modules you need + use the latest './g' to go back in time + no need for ./g if not using translation/help etc. + git / new workdir - unsure if it works + git 1.7.9 preferred, worked with git 1.7.4 + 1.7.9 stores submodules' .git inside top-level .git + read http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Submodules + really helps tinderboxes / gerrit pre-build magic / bisect etc. + only applies to master. + for non-core modules big rename to bring one dir-level up. + so git-am for bin-filter needs a manual sed first. + pushing submodules happened before minutes went live. * Meeting organisation / minuting + weekly calls ok ? + better than async mail. + do we really need the name roll-call (Caolan) + companion IRC channel as an idea ? + interleaves it with people coming in (Kendy) + action items - machine parseable (Bjoern) + status updates generated from the logs ? + http://status.ubuntu.com/ AI: + create script to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern) * Release Engineering update (Fridrich) + vacation / quality report (deferred) + 3.5.7 status + rc2 should release during the conference + just a blog + announce + 3.6.3 rc1 status + released => staging on friday, mirrors @ weekend + Thorsten announced ? but people busy @ conf. + RelEng is a generally helpful section in the call. + gives useful up-coming deadline notice. * UI / design update (Astron) + icons for new conditional formats in cells + something to play with; more icon sets ? + (thanks to Astron) + consensus on fonts achieved + 3.3Mb uncompressed -> 1.5Mb download https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts + stripped un-necessary weights from opensans, sourcesans, etc. AI: + font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras) AI: + audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan) + still awaiting funky font downloading functionality + saxon removal to keep size static. + some funky toolbar hacking on the train (Kendy) * Uses for new hardware (Cedric) + some kind French sponsor will provide new machines + how can we best use them ? + creating VMs of LibreOffice / master for remote testing + several platforms, for wider & less disruptive QA + log-in and have a play ... + getting a -big- bibisect setup here would be beautiful (Norbert) + share-able across multiple VM's ? + does it come with some admin ? (Kendy) + off-load the wiki / help.libreoffice.org build there. + what Hardware with what OS on it (Norbert) + unclear - bare metal etc. ? AI: + get more details & connect (Norbert / Sophie) * QA update (Bjoern) + HardHack list moved to wiki - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks + no changes for this week + couple of hard-hacks fixed (thanks to Caolan) + bibisect interest increasing + how is morale around closing issues (Caolan) + bfoman doing a great job providing Win32 / stack-traces + lots of bug stuck in early stages, without good reproduction / descriptions + growing certainty wrt. the old / unconfirmed bug dung-out, modulo a few corner case issues + same pattern in Fedora / GNOME etc. + 55% of our 13k bugs are closed; and we inherited a lot. + we are 25% of freedesktop bugs - horay ! + why is our regression bug count so static ? + no obvious release spikes at all + either bugs are not getting triaged fast + or we're fixing them fast - or something of both. + extremely encouraging to see people fixing 3.7 bugs + easier, cheaper to fix the quicker we catch. * Certification criteria (Thorsten/Italo) + ESC developer as initial set of L3 certified programmers + extend this rapidly to contemporary hackers + minutes of 2012-01-26 seem reasonable + do we need a formal criteria (Kendy) + how do we evaluate it / ESC might not want to (Norbert) + let them fix one hard-hack ? (Bjorn) + decided: all coding / ESC meeting attendees for last 6x months are per-se L3 certified LibreOffice developers (except for Norbert) AI: + build a list of names for Italo (Michael) + Kendy + Stephan + Bjoern => new L3 certification committee. * 4.0 plans / naming / ABI stability etc. (Kendy) + propose call the next version 2.0 + everything is done in incremental steps + ~2 months from now: + pick the corner cases for 2.0, with least impact + back-compat for ABI is useful + eg. map com::sun::star -> something else / work on it. + ok to occasionaly break small parts of API (Stephan) + not change of css:: namespace - just cosmetics etc. + changes that do break things, smaller scale. + why a 4.0 ? + marketing reasons, we deserve it. + seeing the difference: from 3.3 -> 3.7 it's huge. + user-installs labelled with '4' + migration code to do a one-shot config / setup fix. + can loose old back-compat code. + we get the berkeleydb removal as part of re-basing. + or we could stop coupling version to migration (Lionel) + de-couple external / compatibile APIs from the core APIs ? (Michael) + API an after-thought, not used by those who designed it + usability problems come from a lack of use of the APIs + advantages of sharing the APIs internal & external - to avoid lack of testing & bit-rot. + beware the binfilter trap (Stephan) + we already do in-proc bridging. + need all features in by Alpha1 etc. * Fixed 3.7 MAB: with thanks .. + fdo#55560 - CRASH when Format Cells (menu and Context menu) (Caolan) + fdo#55685 - CRASH when create or modify Character Style or Paragraph Style (Caolan) * Open 3.7 MAB / regressions [ there should be none ]: + 2 (of 13) open + fdo#55290 - LOdev 3.7 won't install [ on Windows ]. Error 1935 (dtardon) + fdo#55570 - significant autocorrect slow-down (Stephan) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 30 (of 132) older 27/127 44/139 46/137 45/132 44/127 39/119 27/96 26/91 23% 21% 32% 34% 34% 35% 33% 28% 29% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1 * 3.5 most annoying bugs ... + 77 open (of 279) older 78/278 81/279 82/279 83/279 80/270 81/269 73/258 73/257 28% 28% 29% 29% 30% 30% 30% 26% 28% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1 * 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression' + 175(-10) bugs open of 863(+10) total * ~Component count net * + Writer - 72 (-8) + Presentation - 18 (+0) + Spreadsheet - 17 (+2) + Crashes - 15 (-6) + Database - 14 (+0) + Drawing - 13 (+0) + LibreOffice - 12 (-1) + Borders - 12 (-1) + Migration - 6 (+0) + Basic - 2 (+0) + Writer / RTF - 2 (-1) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764 + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489 -- michael.meeks@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot
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