[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

* Present:
        + Rainer, Stephan, Eike, Fridrich, Norbert, Kendy, Mitch,
          Bjoern, Michael, Tor, Lionel, Caolan, Cedric, Thorsten,
          Andras, Kohei

* Completed Action Items
        + python/wizards merge for 3.5 & strip old versions (Michael)
        + send Monty mail about other options (Michael)
        + hunt systemic per-tinderbox errors (Rainer)
                + abandoned for now
        + file soffice paramater issues as most-annoying (Lionel)
        + look at dev-builds with desktop integration for linux (Petr)
        + remove --enable-release-builds until RCs (packagers)
        + back-port Java 7 to 3.4 if no show-stopping regressions in B0 (Stephan)
AA:             + enable Java 7 in 3.4.5 & check RC1 feedback (Stephan)

* Pending Action Items
        + [in progress] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins)
        + [in progress] come up with a list of QA heros for next meeting (Rainer)
        + need to download & install libpostgresql for Mac/Windows (Michael)
        + add tinderbox name to build-id (Norbert)
AA:     + review pending labels patch if possible (Bjoern)

* Action Items

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.5.0 Beta 1 feature freeze hit, branched etc.
                + builds originally quite broken, but much better now
                + may be delayed until late today / tomorrow
                + smaller smoke-testing window than hoped for
                + delayed by accidental re-base of -3-5 on master
        + tag monday / slip slightly.
        + move 3.4.5 RC1 freeze out to mid-week
        + individuals need to carefully cherry-pick their fixes to the branch
                + please test bigger fixes on master and only cherry-pick when
                  the tinderboxes like you ...
AA:     + cleanup old test server directories (Thorsten)

* verbose builds left and right
        + tinderboxes switched to not produce huge amounts of log output
        + default is not churn during build

* gtk3 backend
        + change the configure to default to 'on' for this
        + not feasible to build on our legacy machines
AA:     + disable gtk3 except in experimental mode (Michael)

* lightproof grammar checker (Andras)
        + python extension, long history, around for years
                + lightweight, no large dependencies
        + Laszlo integrated it with normal dictionary extensions
        + can include it into the dictionaries/ module
        + committed to master, seems to work well:
                + windows + Linux, English + Hungarian
        + where is the up-stream ?
                + no public repo / just tar-balls
                + Laszlo would like a repo on freedesktop
AA:             + create 'lightproof' git repo on freedesktop for Laszlo (Michael)
        + horror grammer checker leaks fixable & findable with internal python
        + fewer languages supported, but tool for migrating rules in progress
        + currently we bundle nothing => no functional regression
                + can be used in parallel with LanguageTool
        + lightproof - conservative checker - blogk post to follow.
AA:     + we will cherry-pick to Beta2 (Caolan, Andras) (Petr)

* default display issue (Michael / Caolan)
        + quite some research done, but not fixed ...
        + 'Primary' on Windows == LCD display, ditto on Linux
AA:             + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerScreen (Michael)

* QA update (Rainer)
        + Bugzilla assistant
                + some problems with it; around 20 bugs
                  
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc=BUGZILLAASSISTANT&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&component=WWW&product=LibreOffice
                + need to think what to do with it
                + requires manual updating per version
AA:             + forward access details to Thorsten (Rainer)
AA:             + get Rainer setup with git commit access (Michael)
AA:             + add fixing it to top #10 easy tasks page (Petr)
        + 3.5 release
                + concerns around:
                  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36677
                + was always wrong in the past - but afflicts Windows 7
                + luckily shipping the fix in 3.4.5 helps this
        + Bug hunting session (Cor) - regrets.
                + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Improving_QA-Release-3.5#Bug-hunting_session

* Remote login for testing branches / new work on (Lionel)
        + we could use Voruppe to allow people to test stuff (Fridrich)
        + Norbert happy to create one-shot tinderboxes to
          target feature branch

* debugging re-builds (Cedric)
        + re-building whole tree with dbgutil is a nightmare
        + having binary incompatible tree is silly (Bjoern)
        + missing dump-as-xml code; switched to dbgutil
        + problems with #if debug-level in a header (MichaelS)
                + breaks ODR potentially
                + no problem with debug compiled in, in product release
AA:     + add this layout feature into a product build (Cedric)
                + make it dependent on a getenv() to avoid callcatcher

* postgresql fun. non-internal
        + postgresql have a strict API stability (Norbert)
        + concerns of control & buildability are overboard (Lionel)
        + Windows - run-time DLL dependency a pain (Lionel)
                + ship DLL ourselves ?
                + download the binary and ship it ?
                + horrendous shipping other peoples binaries (Michael)
                + a huge mess on Windows finding dlls (Fridrich)
        + MySQL connector a huge mess (Fridrich)
                + ship the binary etc.
        + building vs. an internal libpostgresql (Lionel)
                + client library code is:
                        + around 25 files + a few headers
                + can knock up a gnumake makefile in a module
                  as a static library.
        + Decision: build a minimal / internal postgresql ...
                + do the work on master & perhaps backport
                + binary extensions for 3.5

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