[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

* Present:
        + Eike, Rainer, Andras, David, Lionel, Stephan, August
          Bjoern, Norbert, Caolan, Kendy, Petr, Mitch, Michael S.
          Tor, Kohei, Cedric, Monty

* Completed Action Items
        + help out Lionel with a deeper dive into fdo#39950 (Caolan)
        + flatten un-maintained NLPSolver into our git repo (Michael)
        + [in progress] default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten)
        + ask Christian wrt. Mac / PPC (on-list)
        + remove bit-rotted pch work, or file easy hack for that (Norbert)
        + enable on-line updates for QA in cross-compiled dailies (Kendy)
                + unit tests passing, enabled in master,
                  will be enabled in Beta1.
        + enable Java 7 for Windows in master, poke qa list too (Stephan)
        + move slow calc tests over to 'make subsequentcheck' (Markus)

* Pending Action Items
        + [in progress] extract 64bit build hardware from firewall (Kendy / Admins)
        + back-port Java 7 to 3.4 if no show-stopping regressions in B0 (Stephan)
        + come up with a list of QA heros for next meeting (Rainer)
        + python/wizards merge for 3.5 & strip old versions (Michael)

* Action Items

* Kill testtool (August)
        + string / cleanup is hindered by testtool (August)
        + should we kill it completely for 3.6 ? (Stephan)
        + still in git - so can be ressurected (Norbert)
        + around 1/2 of the basic/ code is hooks for testtool (August)
        * remove test-tool post the 3.5 branch & all its hooks.

* MariaDB intro (Monty)
        + original MySQL company & product creator
        + MariaDB increasingly visible in the market & featureful
        + 100% drop-in replacement for C connector
                + identical protocol, fully interoperable
                + MariaDB adds extra stuff, but handshakes first
        + client-side is ABI compatible with old mysql C library
        + can continue to use the C++ connector; and get that to
          use MySQL C library (Lionel)
        + how much work is that ?
        + new features
                + progress reporting in long runing table operations
        + plan to start collaboration next year
        + never shipped the C library in the past (Lionel)
                + would be good to bundle MariaDB's client library
        + commit to fix any bugs related to LibreOffice in MariaDB
AA:     + send Monty mail about other options (Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.5 Beta0 should be available today as pre-release ftp
                + mirrored for tomorrow
        + feature-freeze is on Monday (noon)
                + double code review not required until nearer RC1
                        => bug fix committer should cherry-pick themselves
                + tripple cross-company code review for features until nearer RC1
                        + exceptions: artwork, unit-tests until RC1
                + tinderboxes: will attack the libreoffice-3-5 branch primarily
                + branch immediately on feature-freeze (Petr, Caolan)
                        + tag on Tuesday ?
                        + concerns wrt. hit & run Friday commits (Norbert)
        + expect twitchiness - it's release time ...
        + cherry-picking from master to the branch default mode post 3.5

* use dev builds for beta builds ? (Petr)
        + gives us keyid builds, and parallel installability
        + no desktop integration under linux
AA:     + look at improving that for linux (Petr)
AA      + remove --enable-release-builds until RCs (packagers)

* Enable postgresql extension in distro-config (Michael)
        + needs a with-system-libpq etc. for Debian (Norbert)
AA:     + need to download & install libpostgresql for Mac/Windows (Michael)
        + can enable for Mac etc. by default.

* FOSDEM dev-room papers reminder:
        + please file talks
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2012

* Cross-compiling MSIs building (Mitch)
        + not much progress this week

* QA Update (Rainer)
        + significant increase of bugzilla activity, several more
          reports & contributors
        + master - not in good shape
                + new windows builds each few hours
                + each new build several new bugs, and several disappear
                        + eg. crash on every spreadsheet close
                        + error messages on save / blocker stuff
                        + then disappear again; the same day.
                + expected to calm down when we branch
                        => no new action now
                + Q. is it correlated with one tinderbox ?
AA:             + hunt systemic per-tinderbox errors (Rainer)
        + MingW / cross-compiled tinderboxes not so good (Petr)
                + not related to this
                + so buggy, testing stopped
                + why is it so (Kendy)
                        + regressions from time to time
                        + using it as a fast windows build-ability proxy
                          not a run-time test.
AA:     + add tinderbox name to build-id (Norbert)
        + what 3.5 open bugs are regressions ?
                + 80 bugs - not clear
                + aim at fixing regressions with a higher priority
                + the regression keyword is useful (~All)
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:RBd/Workbench/Draft0#General
                + if major regressions go to most annoying bugs
        + Cor to organise a bug-hunting session for B1 next weekend.

* DateTime default constructor fix (Eike)
        + looses ~500 places to call gettimeofday by mistake
        + will commit later today / be warned.

* Markus working on manage range-name dialog (Kohei)
        + working hard to get it near complete by Monday
        + it's all bug-fixing now

* soffice - parameter issues (Lionel)
        + issues; getting the shell screen, change in behaviour
          of --no-default
                + can't get to the shell without closing a document
        + bump to most annoying bugs & fix post feature-freeze

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

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