Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [REVIEW] text orientation, not text direction

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Christophe Strobbe <
christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> At 16:48 31-10-2011, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>
> > Hi Lior,
> >
> > Thank you for the patch!  It seems that it caused some misunderstanding,
> > so maybe it might be good to CC: the UX guys for the suggestion of
> > wording? - CC'd now.
> >
> > UX guys - please have a look at Lior's suggestion; for a screenshot of
> > what he means, see his original mail in the ML archive:
> >
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/**archives/libreoffice/2011-**
> > October/019944.html<http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2011-October/019944.html>
>
> Just to make sure that everyone involved in the discussion knows how to
> use this feature:
> 1. Create a table; set "text direction" to "right-to-left (vertical)"
> 2. Enter some Chinese (or Japanese) text into the table. (In my case, the
> text appeared rotated.)
> 3. Change the font to one that was developed for Chinese (or Japanese, as
> the case may be) text.
>
> You will now see the characters in vertical columns that should be read
> right-to-left.

Just a small notice - although the option says "right to left (vertical)",
it only changes the horizontal/vertical part. The text directionality is
kept as is (usually left to right), which causes the text to be written top
to bottom (that is LRT rotates 90 clock wise).

> So "text direction" is about horizontal vs vertical (i.e. vertical, then
> right-to-left), rather than the direction of the writing system
> (left-to-right vs right-to-left/bidirectional).
>
> I have attached a sample document and a screenshot to this mail. The text
> below the table is identical to the text inside the table - in fact I
> copied it from the table. Also notice the change in quotation marks and the
> direction of "2012".
>
> (See also this Wordpad screenshot from Wikipedia: <
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**File:Wordpad_vertical_text_**support.png<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wordpad_vertical_text_support.png>
> > .)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christophe
>
>
>
>
>
>  mainly:
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/**archives/libreoffice/**
> > attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/**attachment-0001.png<http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/attachment-0001.png>
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/**archives/libreoffice/**
> > attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/**attachment-0002.obj<http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20111030/9a4f3746/attachment-0002.obj>
> >
> > How does that sound?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Kendy
> >
> > On 2011-10-31 at 17:03 +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Christian Lohmaier <lohmaier
> > > +libreoffice@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >         Hi Lior, *,
> > >
> > >         On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Lior Kaplan
> > >         <kaplanlior@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >         >
> > >         > In my RTL bugs talk during the conference, I showed a weird
> > >         option in the
> > >         > tables options -> text flow tab which refers to RTL text as
> > >         vertical
> > >         > (guessing a feature for Japanese). See attached screen shot.
> > >         >
> > >         > I'm attaching to patches to fix this:
> > >         > 1. A string change (trivial).
> > >
> > >
> > >         But that change doesn't improve anything at all. I immediately
> > >         understand what the difference between "left-to-right" and
> > >         "right-to-left (vertical)" means, but what the heck is
> > >         "horizontal"?
> > >         that could also be right-to-left, and more importantly:
> > >         Vertical could
> > >         also be left-to-right written vertically.
> > >
> > > These options doesn't touch the text directionality (RTL/LTR) but only
> > > decide whether it goes horizontally or vertically.
> > >
> > >
> > >         So I don't see any benefit in changing those. (on the
> > >         contrary, it
> > >         would replace clear labels with "need to try them to figure
> > >         out what
> > >         they do" ones.
> > >
> > >         As for "Text direction" vs "Text orientation" - I don't really
> > >         care,
> > >         although I'd associate left-aligned vs right-aligned more with
> > >         orientation, and the overall writing layout with direction,
> > >         but then
> > >         again I'm not a native speaker...
> > >
> > >
> > > I've changed this text for two reason:
> > > 1. To diffrenciate from the "Text direction" on the table tab (the
> > > previous tab in the same window). There the options are RTL and LTR
> > > which is right.
> > > 2. To use the same terminology as other word processing software.
> > >
> > > I hope this better explains the reasons for the patch.
> > >
> > > Kaplan
>
>
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