Re: [Libreoffice] [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Embedded parts and wikihelp/HC2

Hi Martin,
On 16/12/2010 19:40, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Jan,
>
> 2010/12/16 Jan Holesovsky <kendy@suse.cz <mailto:kendy@suse.cz>>
>
>
>     Only one problem I can think of is the time; I am not sure if I can get
>     that 100% before the final release, so - it might happen that the
>     wikihelp will be English only at the time of 3.3 final, but filed with
>     the translated versions as soon as the above works (but it is an online
>     thing, so the deployment can be independent of the release date, there
>     is still room for improvements).  We will have the translated helppacks,
>     so hopefully it is not an issue.
>
>
> I think online help must be available in all languages - it is a
> stopper, if it isn't. Otherwise the lang teams will not ok the release
> thus only the English version will be an official and tested release,
> and all the rest will be untested. Think what that means for adoption of
> LO in enterprises and government sector. Not good at all. For all other
> languages 3.3 seems to be a preview what a LO will look like in 3.4, and
> not a full featured version, a kind of LO beta.

This is the wikihelp that will be available only in en_US, HC2 will be 
available in all language has helppacks. What we call online help is a 
bit confusing as it was the help files available with the OOo/LO 
version. Lets speak about HC2 for the local files and wikihelp for the 
files on the wiki.
>     This is a very good question.  In the current implementation, I do not
>     treat embedding in a special way, and just copy the text there directly.
>
>     The following is the page you have shown on the screenshot:
>
>     http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer
>
>     Ie. the 'Some shortcut ...' text is directly there, not an embedded
>     string.
>
>     If we want to address this, it is of course solvable too; the only
>     problem might be that for everything that is supposed to be embedded, it
>     has to have a special page, like Embed:Some_id, an in the text, it would
>     be used like {{Embed:Some_id}}.
>
>     For example, a text like:
>
>     file swriter/file1.xhp:
>     <paragraph ...><variable ..."something">Something to
>     embed</variable></paragraph
>
>     file swriter/file2.xhp:
>     <embed href="...file.xhp#something>
>
>     would in the wiki look like:
>
>     Page Embed:file1_something
>       Something to embed
>
>     Page Writer/file1
>       {{Embed:file1_something}}
>
>     Page Writer/file2
>       {{Embed:file1_something}}
>
>     Documentation team - is that acceptable for you?
>
>
> The transport of (English) help from wiki back to xliff/po must get all
> the keywords references, links etc. How is that handled? Will the index
> in LO offline help work after such a backport from wiki? This is of
> major importance. Offline help without index and table of contents etc.
> is not usable.
>
> Kendy, why do you have to rush at this online solution for 3.3? I
> propose to leave things as with OOo for 3.3, with help packs as separate
> downloads if they are too big to be included in the international
> package. In the meantime you can get the conversion procedures working
> so that no metadata from help gets lost and on the road to 3.4 all the
> teams and LO projects decide about the future of LO help system.
> What you are driving at is having a non-fully-working solution for 3.3
> with already some decision in place at very short notice (and such
> decisions mostly lead to headache) and then decide for future. What I
> propose is a fully working solution for 3.3 with enough time later to
> decide and make a new system working fully for the 3.4 release.

From what I've understand, we will have normal HC2 files aside with 
3.3. Only the wikihelp will be in en_US. Then, the wikihelp will be 
implemented in all languages, but it has not to follow the release 
cycle. Only the HC2 and the porting from wikihelp to HC2 will have.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards
Sophie