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[libreoffice-design] Re: User noise.


thanks, for your clear exposition and direct, insightsful and relevant comments. As you will see from my initial posting , I suspected that as one user proposing possibly atypical improvements my comments would and should be perceived as noise.

It seems, however that priorities are lacking,except if your aim is to maximize the number of active contributors, rather than to create the most efficient programs

I maintain my view that colours and signage is thoroughly trivial, in the sense that as long as the typeface is visible they can be safely ignored in favour of content.

I also accept that codingskills may be lacking in order to rectify my possibly irrelevant pet gripes (although they are actually hindering my dailty work).

Yes, as with other open software. lots of voluntary work is put in, only occasionally supported by small donations from some such as myself,

However, not setting overriding priorities and selecting among them, while maintaning that superfluous voluntary work through fiddling with less useful aspects is valuable, is key to unsucessful strategies.

(I am troroughly unqualified as a progarmmer since my superficial experienxce is from building a machine in 1960 to deal with Boolean expressions + learning "Algol" and reading Shannon, Wiener and Minsky at university, but I do have some experience in settting out and converting strategic aims into action).

Good luck with focussing on OO improvements , I will cease to distract you with usage comments !



Paul Hofseth

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Den 2019-12-14 06:55, skrev Kaganski Mike:
Dear Paul,

12 дек. 2019 г. 17:30 пользователь paul hofseth <paul@hofseth.co> написал:


please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial
matters like colours and signage, but rather on making the programs more
practical to use - such as for instance having the choice of typeface
as a sdeparate item, not hidden inside the multiple format choices.
Risking ostracism fro monotounous suggestions, I repeat my wish for
sequential views of single pages with as little jumbling as possible of
text and illsustrations when proofreading long documents

Please do not waste scarce coding resources on thoroughly trivial
matters like telling others what to do, but rather on making the programs more
practical to use!

Why do I write this rather harsh statement? Not in the hope that you
would start doing what I wrote, but to show you one important aspect
that you seem to overlook. What would you do if you actually be denied
of a way to contribute by expressing your opinions and wishes, and
demanded to do something entirely different for the project? For most,
such requirement would not mean they started contributing differently;
that would mean they stopped contributing at all. Most people here
contribute for one of two reasons: either being paid for the work by
their employers/customers, or doing things they *can* for own
enjoyment. Not everyone here likes or is able to do what you'd want
them to do to fix your pet bug; and your expectation that if you deny
someone of doing what *you* consider "trivial" would free the
resources for a different task, are just plain wrong: instead of
improving the areas you are interested in, we would simply loose those
who love and able to contribute in areas *others* are interested in,
nothing else.

By the way, I actually deem the importance of *your* contriburion
(expressing your opinion about LibreOffice and its future, feeling for
it, and proposing something) wery high. So please don't take the
initial statement seriously, but just as a way to illustrate my point.

Best regards,

Mike Kaganski

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