[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2025-July-29

Present: Dan, Eyal, Burghard, Daniel, Heiko
Comments: Bogdan, Stuart, RJLB, Verhoeckx, Regina, Miguel, Roman

Tickets/Topics

 * App UI Configuration settings don't belong in templates
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172511
   + could also imagine a function that removes those lines,
     this solves bug 163789 en passant (Heiko)
   + different levels depending on the document, could be a set
     of options (Eyal)
   + request if first of all to omit all unnecessary stuff from
     templates by default (Eyal)
   + could be a two-step solution with a dialog later (Heiko)
   + other applications show such a dialog (Dan)
   + privacy could be relevant for documents too (Heiko)
   + what to do on the load side? (Eyal)
     + only strip off attributes on save (Heiko)
   => go for it

 * Change the default font from 'Liberation Serif' to 'Liberation Sans'
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172713
   + agree (Bogdan, RJLB)
   + no advantage, would rather invest in Aptos metric equiv (Stuart)
   + Noto is omnipresent and complete (RJLB)
     + Noto looks more modern (Verhoeckx)
   + font affects the readability and creates expectations;
     it's mostly a matter of personal preference (Regina)
   + serif for printout, sans serif for screens (Heiko)
   + default template could be a nice solution too (Burghard)
     + use the template manager and "set as default" on any template (Heiko)
   + keep Serif as the default; users can change it easily and the actual
     preference depends heavily on the scenario; plus other modules use
     Sans Serif (Eyal)
   + missing proposals for the other language groups (Eyal)
   + competitors use sans serif fonts; serif feels outdated (Daniel)
   + poll? (Heiko) disagree, it's a professional matter (Eyal)
   => keep Serif but keep the ticket open for more input and later decisions

 * Autocorrect commands missing from Calc's Notebookbar-Tabbed
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172702
   + asking for all three auto correct options in all modules (Eyal)
   + lesser used tools in the app but still familiar to users (Daniel)
   + used much more often than other like Macros; toggles predestined for the
     toolbar/notebookbar (Eyal)
   + Tools is underpopulated but question is first whether it needs to be
     on any tab; Apply as big button the other two in small (Heiko)
   => do it

 * Make it Easier to Add Footnotes and Work With Them
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172662
   + user customizable, WF (Stuart, Miguel, Roman)
   + insert footnote is alt+ctrl+F in MSO, insert endnote alt+ctrl+D
     use these (Heiko, Jan)
   + convincing argument needed to assign a shortcut by default (Eyal)
   + Micrsoft shortcuts are not good chosen as F/D has no association
     with the function (Heiko)
   => WF, customization was introduced for this reason

 * Table insertion hotkey overlaps with the KDE hotkey (ctrl+F12)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172700
   + function keys in particular > F10 are bad anyway (Heiko)
   + many similar requests have been rejected in favor of customization
   + no full support for TS, keyboard shortcut not used often (Vladislav)
     + patch on distro level exists, wonder how MSO works
   + MSO has no shortcut but an a11y sequence Alt+N+T+I on the Insert tab
   + we may also consider no shortcut (Eyal)
   + ctrl+T is available (Heiko)
   + table are inserted often but likely in most cases via toolbar widget
   => change the shortcut to ctrl+T

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