[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2025-June-17

Present: Eyal, Mihai, Dan, Heiko
Comments: Stuart, Jan, Bogdan, John

Tickets/Topics

 * Watermark default font is "Liberations Sans", not document's standard font
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172344
   + no good reason to add this (Stuart)
   + organization branding (Jan)
     + could imagine the Liberation Sans is not installed (Heiko)
   + font selection is available in the dialog (Heiko)
   + SfxWatermarkItem::SfxWatermarkItem() : SfxPoolItem(); hard-coded to
     "Liberation Sans" (Dan)
   + don't think it's worth effort and afraid of trouble with non-Western
     basic fonts => WF/NAB (Heiko)
   + agree with linking the basic font with the default font in the
     watermark dialog; we could use the font of the Default PS or
     Default H1 PS or a dedicated PS (Eyal, Mihai)
     + against a new PS since Watermark is not really a paragraph,
       used only once, the PS has to have some hierarchy, and it
       works orthogonal to the usual PS (Heiko)
  => use the Headings paragraph style to initialize

 * Navigator - Remember layout
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172298
   + expanded state for sheets is remembered, toggle and drag too
     -1 to change it (Bogdan)
   + what is remembered across sessions depends heavily on the scenario (Heiko)
   + could be stored in the document therefore (Jan)
   + against storing volatile properties such as the expanded state of
     trees in general (Heiko)
   + we store a large number of attributes right now in the document;
     agree with the request (Eyal)
   + but would be okay with storing properly for a session (Eyal)
   + against storing this attribute in the document (Mihai)
 => check/fix it per session

 * Notebookbar tabs on tab row are too wide
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171988
   + Tab widths respond to app width (Stuart)
   + breathing space is needed for a good design (Heiko)
   + broadly agree although tabs are not too wide on Windows (John)
   + don't like the contraction effect and believe the mouse travel needs
     to become minimized (Eyal)
   + against tinkering with the tab width (and disagree with the too large
     padding) but could imagine an expert option that disables the
     contraction effect (Heiko)
   + tab width could also dynamically size with window width (Dan)
   + MSO uses minimal sizes for tab labels and squeezed appearance (Heiko)
 => look into the implementation

 * The ability to export a selection is not discoverable enough
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172243
   + Export under File with 'Selection' checkbox is consistent, -1 (Stuart)
   + Export under file management is common, -1 (Heiko)
   + not easier to discover outside, common for other apps, -1 (Jan)
   + the generic function at File is okay, to export an object or a slide
     is expected on the very object (Eyal)
   + no objection to add a convenience function to export a slide; wonder
     what such a command means for the workflow, guess to open the
     filedialog with all options but [x] Selection checked (Heiko)
   + we do have Export in Draw/Impress (Dan)
     + whether it takes the (slide) as selection needs to be checked
       and might require a dedicated command (Heiko)
   + Export saves the selection not the slide right now; and the whole
     document for PDF unless Selection is checked again (Heiko)
   + we should limit the command to sd; sw currently works completely
     different (Dan)
 => new command to export the selection of slides/pages

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