[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2025-Feb-05

Present: Martin, Eyal, Heiko
Comments: Telesto, Jan, Bogdan, Ady

Tickets/Topics

 * Selecting objects across multiple visible pages defines a silly
   selection with nonsensical behavior
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168628
   + nine dots becoming three is clear and we do better than MSO (Heiko)
   + expect a dotted from around individual selected objects (Telesto)
   + selection feedback behaves as expected, alignment actions too (Jan)
   + multi-selection of objects is mostly blocked in Writer, at least
     not working on Windows; it works via drawing a selection frame
   + grouping of objects spread across multiple pages makes them disappear
   + agree with preventing a selection outside the current page (Eyal)
   + no good use case to select (in Writer) formatting should be done
     per style (Martin)
     + yet not if it comes to positioning (Eyal)
     + which is not a common use case for Writer (Heiko)
   => prevent multi selection

 * Clarify wording of “Export as PDF” vs “Export Directly as PDF”
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168813
   + rephrase as "Quick export as PDF" (OP)
   + quick might be mistaken as fast (Bogdan)
   + ellipsis are common as indicator for an additional dialog (Jan)
   + Export PDF (with options) or (with settings), Export PDF & Settings…,
     PDF Export Settings… (Eyal)
   + ellipsis unclear as it opens the file save dialog in case of plain
     "Export Directly" (Eyal)
   + appreciate a better label (Martin)
   + an alternative could be to add a checkbox "[ ] Show options" to the
     Save dialog and get rid of the two commands (Heiko)
   + user might be surprised of what options are used in case of direct/quick
     export; we could show the differences at the save dialog (Martin)
   + Export Directly as PDF => "Export PDF" and
     Export as PDF => "Export PDF with Settings..." (Eyal)
     + shorter label has advantage for the Notebookbar
   => go for it

 * Add Hide / Show Rows/Columns commands to cell popup menu
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170407
   + commands are available on row/col header (Ady)
   + cell menu would require to check whether col/s and row/s are
     selected and to show the commands respectively on popup (Heiko)
   + commands are available for customization but work without
     any selection; this customization is sufficient (Martin)
   => alignment with Excel is not enough = WF

 * Drop Caps: option to skip over leading punctuation
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170044
   + resolved assuming it was discussed last week; not objecting
     improvements here since we need to touch the feature anyway (Heiko)
   + support adding the option (Eyal)
   => acknowledged

 * Bonus: 'All' button on Writer's Table of Contents' Entries' page
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170479
   + position below the levels has advantages for the design but does
     not follow the workflow (Heiko)
   + if the workflow is to set "[ ] All Levels" in advance the position
     below the levels is fine (Eyal)
     + first time the checkbox is checked could do the "Apply to All" and
       subsequently automatically; if not this check action without immediate
       action would be weird (Heiko)
   + if the current workflow is kept, the button would be better
     placed at the end of the right frame (Eyal, Heiko)
   + appreciate the effort (Martin)
   => comment


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