[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2025-Sep-10

Present: Eyal, John, Heiko
Comments: Jan, wodsfort, Rafael, Stuart, Telesto

Tickets/Topics

 * EDITING:  Navigator -- displaying page number at heading titles
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166048
   + use case not common; knowing the exact page number for some
     chapter is pointless (Jan, Heiko)
   + able to construct some use cases (Eyal)
   + current tooltip lacks on the _number of pages_ which could
     also solve this request by showing "p. 3" or "pp. 2-4" (Eyal)
   + annotation with the heading as suggested is interesting by it's
     own and could be done optionally (Eyal)
     + absolutely disagree, my veto against this idea (Heiko)
   + good idea (wodsfort)
   => comment

 * Presentation/template shows placeholder text in creator's (?)
   locale rather than in the UI locale
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168080
   + provide an option to remove / not store language related
     attributes in the document/template (Heiko)
   + issue is rather to not localize the placeholder text ie.
     "Click to add text" in the Hungarian form (Eyal)
   + not an issue with normal slides but master slides are localized
   => bug

 * Autofilter buttons should look like (native) UI buttons
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163017
   + probably not as native control but agree with better design (Rafael)
   + lower hanging fruits first but proper solution needed; first
     issue with icons or semi-widgets would be missing a11y-support (Eyal)
   + arrow fill color is different depending on hidden items (Heiko)
   + scaling of icons might become an issue (Eyal)
   + drawing horizontal lines could be more appealing too (Heiko)
   => try

 * Vertical tabs: inconsistent look. Label next to icon; label below icon
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168203
   + intentionally done by design => NAB (Stuart)
   + struggle to imagine how the alternative looks (wodsfort)
   + some people might want only stacked icon/label design even on cost
     of scrolling; dynamic switching could be an option (Eyal)
   + at the moment it is not possible to dynamically switch depending
     on the number of tabs, for example (Heiko)
   + KISS! (wouldn't mind scrolling personally) (John)
   + invest in never scrolling (bug 165989) (Eyal)
   + agree with (more) flexibility for users (Eyal)
   + strongly disagree with the proposal (Heiko)
   => comment

 * The order of tabs (whats on top, what is at the bottom) in the
   vertical tab in the image dialog is bit strange
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168059
   + some tabs are used on different dialogs, and sorting should
     be decided individually
   + perhaps sort alphabetically (Telesto)
     + besides all other contradictions it depends on l10n (John)
   + sorting could be done like this (Jan)
     - Position, Rotation, Crop are about the outer dimensions of the object.
     - Borders, Area and Transparency concern the area in the object.
     - Hyperlink and Macros are about interactions.
     - Wrap is about its interactions with text.
     - Options seems to be metadata and a bit of a "misc" place
   + "General" (as some summary ) should come first for styles dialogs;
     start then with specific content (image related) and continue with more
     generic items (font, alignment) (Heiko)
   + very difficult to define a general rule, needs to be done per dialog
   + surprising less number of bike-shedding issues has been opened (Eyal)
   + "Options" for the image dialog is about a11y, ie. alt-text (Heiko)
   => build more consensus ion BZ first

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