[libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2025-Aug-21

Present: Mihai, Rizal, Eyal, Heiko
Comments: bdac, Tomaz

Tickets/Topics

 * UI: better feedback of being inside a group of shapes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167769
   + single click activation (with additional floating rotation widget
     on top) would allow a different workflow; not a fan of changing
     the behavior in such revolutionary way (Heiko)
   + indicating the group is valuable; you are inside the group
     even after a single click on the document canvas - and the
     Navigator is not helpful in this case (Mihai)
   + the rotation widget is a familiar control (Mihai)
   + when inside the group other shapes are dimmed; could be
     increased (Heiko)
   + alternative is to show the group indicators when inside the
     group but with a different layout or just in grey (Heiko)
   => comment

 * Document comparison at unintuitive/insufficiently-discoverable
   place in menus
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167404
   + move command under Tools (bdac)
   + we probably need to move both Compare and Merge (Heiko)
   + move into some Review menu like MSO (Mihai)
   + document options belong to File - where additional items are
     possible (Mihai)
   => go with the File menu

 * Use the scroll bar for showing the 'used' range, and the arrows
   to expand the sheet
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167685
   + Calc and Excel basically work in the same way with the difference
     that we reposition the thumb and allow to continue scrolling per thumb
   + it's kind of a consistency; but hard to say what's better - wouldn't
     change the behavior (Mihai)
   + changing the thumb to the minimum resp. the larges change like when
     reaching the sheet end makes exact positioning impossible (Heiko)
   + keep the thumb width and the amount of change like on the sheet start
     could be better (Mihai)
   + and alternative might be to slow scroll (like when pressing the buttons)
     at the very end (Heiko)
   => comment and ask for feedback

 * Find & Replace dialog: Add tabs and make it default
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167647
   + two buttons less on cost of tabs not worth the effort (Mihai, Heiko)
   + proposed change removes about half of the dialog area taken up by
     controls - which are replace-only controls; so, there is somewhat of
     a benefit. I would expect a deeper overhaul of the F&R dialog, but
     given the binary choice between the current dialog and the proposal
     - I weakly-support the change. (Eyal)
   + effect could also be done with a checkbox like "[ ] Replace" and
     only if checked the dropdown, input line, and buttons appear
   + make the dialog easier to approach with other methods like icon-only
     buttons (Rizal)
   => comment and suggest WF/NAB

 * Single page/blank document in Writer is displayed too high on
   a vertical (portrait) screen
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167586
   + center the working page linke in Draw (Tomaz)
   + MSO centers the first page if it's the only one and moves it
     to the top after adding a second page (with a nice smooth effect)
   + we are more consistent than MSO regarding one or more pages (Eyal)
   + show the vertical scrollbar (even if the page does not need it) and
     allow users to adjust the position (Mihai)
   + perhaps not wanted by all users and therefore optionally (Eyal)
   => do this



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